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Driving without a valid tax disk..

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What is the penalty?

My car doesn't have tax at the moment.

Expired on the 31'st Aug, bought a new one which hasn't arrived yet.

So i'm stuck using my bike at the mo.

I was just curious as to what the penalty would be for people driving with out tax.

And is there a few days digression in which I can drive whilst waiting for my new disk to be delivered?

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What is the penalty?

My car doesn't have tax at the moment.

Expired on the 31'st Aug, bought a new one which hasn't arrived yet.

So i'm stuck using my bike at the mo.

I was just curious as to what the penalty would be for people driving with out tax.

And is there a few days digression in which I can drive whilst waiting for my new disk to be delivered?

I believe the grace period is the first 5 days of the month

"A change in the law comes into effect from 1 September 2008.

From this date, there will be an exemption from the offence in Section 33 of the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994 (VERA) of not displaying a valid tax disc. This will apply for the first five working days at the beginning of the month in which the tax disc commences.

It will be legal for motorists to drive or keep their vehicle on a public road without a current tax disc, for the first five working days of any month. This exemption from displaying a tax disc applies only when an application for a new disc has been made before the previous one has expired.

Motorists are advised to display the expired tax disc, however, they will be committing an offence if they continue to use or keep the vehicle on a public road without a current valid tax disc after the first five days of the month."

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My understanding is that there's a 5 day period after the expiry of the old tax disc during which you can use the car on a public road provided that you've applied for a new one.

If you've applied online, I thought that you were sent an email confirming that an application had been made online. I'd keep that in the vehicle until the new disc is received from DVLA.

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As long as you have applied it should not really matter.

Its DVLA who actually take action and even if someone tries to stick you on, the DVLA deal subsequently.

I'm not sure that they'd do a great deal if they already have your money and just not got the disk with you.

Tax disks are a bit of a throwback to the dark days without computers when it was the only way of showing you had paid your rent.

You can't seize an untaxed vehicle until 28 clear days have elapsed since the date of liabilty, ie 29th of the following month.

This page will allow you check what the DVLA has recorded for your vehicle http://www.taxdisc.direct.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/

Select "Vehicle Enquiry".

Apart from the 28 day rule, I thought that it also said that no action at all to be taken until 14 days had elapsed.

I'd keep the email from the online purchase and just crack on and drive.

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discretion*

Thanks, Spell check lied to me..

Also, i didnt get an email confirming my purchase come to think of it.

Ok, thanks.

That makes things a bit easier.. I can drive now..

And whats the penalty if people drive with out tax?

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As long as you have applied it should not really matter.

Its DVLA who actually take action and even if someone tries to stick you on, the DVLA deal subsequently.

I'm not sure that they'd do a great deal if they already have your money and just not got the disk with you.

After the 5 days at the start of the month following expiry of the old disk, the police can (and often do, especially if it's well over 5 days) issue a £60 ticket for failing to display a valid excise licence. They would also submit a CLE 2/6 which goes off to the DVLA.

I don't think that anyone would be able to appeal the ticket, as the offence is complete after the first 5 days of the month and is absolute. You're either displaying a valid disk or your not. There's no grey area.

And whats the penalty if people drive with out tax?

A £60 ticket from the police (after the 1st 5 days of the month following expiry) and the police will submit intel to DVLA.

DVLA can ultimately come and clamp your vehicle, or remove and crush it.

Buying a tax disk works out much cheaper in the long run thumbsup.gif

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After the 5 days at the start of the month following expiry of the old disk, the police can (and often do, especially if it's well over 5 days) issue a £60 ticket for failing to display a valid excise licence. They would also submit a CLE 2/6 which goes off to the DVLA.

I don't think that anyone would be able to appeal the ticket, as the offence is complete after the first 5 days of the month and is absolute. You're either displaying a valid disk or your not. There's no grey area.

A £60 ticket from the police (after the 1st 5 days of the month following expiry) and the police will submit intel to DVLA.

DVLA can ultimately come and clamp your vehicle, or remove and crush it.

Buying a tax disk works out much cheaper in the long run thumbsup.gif

I have seen two vehicles recently, parked outside their house with a clamp and a nice large sticker on the window 'UNTAXED VEHICLE'

How embarrassing! :huh: (The fault of the driver though!)

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discretion*, and yes there is, as long as you've ordered it there is discretion (i heard it used to be 5 days and now it's 14 - can anyone actually confirm?)

It's not discretion, because he is committing no offences.

you have tax, the offence would be failing to dis[play a disc which is a fixed penaly of about 80 quid i believe

I actually thought the penalty for no tax was that or thereabouts, so I would like to think failing to display was less.

Only a complete jobsworth would stick someone on for failing to display in this day and age.

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Indeed, back the dark old days with no computers the display of the disk was the only instant way of knowing if the vehicle WAS taxed or not.

Now its nothing more than an indication of the rent being paid or not. The ultimate record is DVLA.

You can display a valid disk but still not be taxed if the cheque bounces or stolen or cancelled, so you'd have to have had a seriously bad attitude at the roadside to be reported for not displaying a disk to me.

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.....Only a complete jobsworth would stick someone on for failing to display in this day and age.

By "Jobsworth", if you are referring to a Constable doing things by the book, then what's wrong with that?

It's all very well discussing this topic with hindsight, in the cold light of day (or night), however if out on Patrol, and I see a vehicle on a Public road or Car Park, which is not displaying a valid tax disc (expired by more than 5 days as mentioned), or not even displaying one at all, I'd not think twice about issuing a CLE/2 and notifying the D.V.L.A. All road users have to cough-up for road tax, and are responsible for ensuring that a replacement is obtained and displayed in good time, so how / why would a Constable justify not "sticking someone on" when seeing such an Offence?

To be honest, I'm disappointed that taking the dilligent approach and doing the right thing, would fall under the catergory of "Jobsworth", at least coming from a Special / Regular Officer. A Member of the Public who had been issued a CLE/2 -yes, but not from a Special / Regular :(

DI Sam.

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