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#26 E29NP

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 09:12 PM

Plus the oppourtunities to travel the world doing all sorts of things from, Adventure Training to Policing!


Ohh and dont forget, stuck in the dusty sandy pit of Basra Airport where the evil men are lobbing mortors at you most days!!

#27 DogMan88

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 10:15 PM

So what Kit do they carry same as a HO Force?

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Posted 08 August 2008 - 10:39 PM

Batons, cuffs, Airwaves, warrant cards, notebooks, pens... Traffic officers caps :prone:

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Posted 09 August 2008 - 08:06 AM

Batons, cuffs, Airwaves, warrant cards, notebooks, pens... Traffic officers caps :prone:


Traffic officers caps????

Yes they have a white cap, hence the nickname snowdrops but that's nothing to do with traffic.

Mind you so do certain police marine units.

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Posted 09 August 2008 - 05:44 PM

Ohh and dont forget, stuck in the dusty sandy pit of Basra Airport where the evil men are lobbing mortors at you most days!!


not one of the best places we travel to :prone:


Like pmtts said we carry the same kit as HO forces apart from spray. Probably will be coming in the future i suspect.

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Posted 11 August 2008 - 02:05 PM

Any reason why they don't carry Captor/CS?

Do they also carry firearms?

#32 Lee1985

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Posted 11 August 2008 - 02:50 PM

Any reason why they don't carry Captor/CS?

Do they also carry firearms?



Not entirley sure tbh, would make sense though if we carried it. Ive heard a rumour that its being looked into but like i say its a rumour :prone:

The RAF Police is changing quite alot at the moment (for the better) were following the HO Forces with policy, procedure and equipment.

We do carry firearms, pistol or rifle but this is not really routine on many camps anymore as you have baton, cuffs and stab vest.

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Posted 22 August 2008 - 09:23 PM

There the same as the RMP except for the air force they do things like force protection and counter intelligence i was going to join but my eyes are shot

http://en.wikipedia....ir_Force_Police



Unlike the RMP the RAF Police DO NOT hold a queens warrant, they are only able to use their authority within militaryb establishments and on military personnel.

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 11:37 AM

and gate guard


We don't take on that role anymore, it is left to MPGS (Military Provost Guard Service).

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Posted 01 September 2008 - 08:15 PM

Unfortunately for them, Force Protection ie guarding aircraft and personnel is still high on their agenda. Their police powers are limited and opportunities to use them are pretty rare. In the UK,they can't even breathalyse suspected drink drivers either on or off air bases. Most RAFP with some ambition are looking to get into a civvy force. MDP obviously do more crime investigation with RAFP usually enforcing the Service Regulations.

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Posted 03 September 2008 - 01:52 PM

Unfortunately for them, Force Protection ie guarding aircraft and personnel is still high on their agenda. Their police powers are limited and opportunities to use them are pretty rare. In the UK,they can't even breathalyse suspected drink drivers either on or off air bases. Most RAFP with some ambition are looking to get into a civvy force. MDP obviously do more crime investigation with RAFP usually enforcing the Service Regulations.



Breathlysers are coming and i think at the moment they are being trialed. As for guarding the only people that will do guarding are the dog handlers. All other force protection and guarding jobs in the UK are done by MPGS, MGS and SSGF. The days of stagging on a gate are well and truly gone.

Yep like you say most RAF Coppers will do a their time then progress on to civvy police.

Just fighting my corner!!


Unlike the RMP the RAF Police DO NOT hold a queens warrant, they are only able to use their authority within militaryb establishments and on military personnel.


So what your saying is RMP can lock civvies up outside of the wire? If so that is complete rubbish. RMP and RAFP have the same powers and your authority and powers of arrest do not end at the gate.

Where did you get your info from?

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Posted 03 September 2008 - 04:41 PM

Unlike the RMP the RAF Police DO NOT hold a queens warrant, they are only able to use their authority within militaryb establishments and on military personnel.


Queens Warrant? would you like to explain what that is? I can't ever remember having a queens warrant, I got my authority from the Provost Marshal (Army)

In the old days of BAOR/RAFG the mars bars used to run traffic patrols (in marked Range Rovers) on autobahns looking service personnel and their families in trouble or looking for speeders (At the time Service Police were the Police for service personnel and families - still the case for RMP and whats left of BFG)

Breathlysers are coming and i think at the moment they are being trialed.



So what your saying is RMP can lock civvies up outside of the wire? If so that is complete rubbish. RMP and RAFP have the same powers and your authority and powers of arrest do not end at the gate.

Where did you get your info from?


the blow up bags were in use from the 1970's :prone:

not in the UK but in BFG definitely, Cyprus the SBA Pol deal with local cypriots who live in the Sovereign Base Areas, but Service Police look after Squaddies and their families

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Posted 03 September 2008 - 04:49 PM

Seeing as all RAFP training is carried out at Southwick Park, along with the RMP & RNPB. I wonder if somewhere down the line all three will become one Service Police?.

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Posted 03 September 2008 - 04:58 PM

Seeing as all RAFP training is carried out at Southwick Park, along with the RMP & RNPB. I wonder if somewhere down the line all three will become one Service Police?.


Was already looked at including a merger with MDP so you ended up with something like the French Gendarmarie National or Dutch KMar, didn't go very far the MOD being the MOD is a very complex beast the MDP is top dog within its own agency and the RMP it to proud of its own history to merge (its been engineering a demerge from the AGC from the start)

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Posted 03 September 2008 - 05:25 PM

Queens Warrant? would you like to explain what that is? I can't ever remember having a queens warrant, I got my authority from the Provost Marshal (Army)

In the old days of BAOR/RAFG the mars bars used to run traffic patrols (in marked Range Rovers) on autobahns looking service personnel and their families in trouble or looking for speeders (At the time Service Police were the Police for service personnel and families - still the case for RMP and whats left of BFG)



the blow up bags were in use from the 1970's :D

not in the UK but in BFG definitely, Cyprus the SBA Pol deal with local cypriots who live in the Sovereign Base Areas, but Service Police look after Squaddies and their families


The RAFP dont have them in the UK, not sure about overseas? To job someone for drink driving on camp in the UK we have to it under SSO's (orders offence) :prone:

Ive never heard of the queens warrant either?? Will have to ask around. In the UK i have been to incidents outside the wire where service people have been kicking off as we have the powers to do so. Most cases HO police will deal with it then give us a call if they need assistance.

Like panda plodder says overseas for us (RAFP) we do town patrols in cyprus and also have powers of arrest over depandants as they come under service law.


Seeing as all RAFP training is carried out at Southwick Park, along with the RMP & RNPB. I wonder if somewhere down the line all three will become one Service Police?.



My opion is it will happen at some point. The new Armed froces act 2006 brings all 3 service police organisations together singing off the same song sheet. Some vehicles that are coming out say 'service police' rather RAF RMP RNP on them. So i hear training at southwick park will be RMP and RAFP together in the same courses rather than RAFP and RMP running there own seperate courses.

Like i say my opion. wether it happens or not is another question.

#41 carty23

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Posted 03 September 2008 - 06:52 PM

My opion is it will happen at some point. The new Armed froces act 2006 brings all 3 service police organisations together singing off the same song sheet. Some vehicles that are coming out say 'service police' rather RAF RMP RNP on them. So i hear training at southwick park will be RMP and RAFP together in the same courses rather than RAFP and RMP running there own seperate courses.

Like i say my opion. wether it happens or not is another question.


I saw one of them in plymouth during the summer holidays when I went away for the weekend. On the stabbies it said "RN Police" on the back. The van was very boring though, just white with a orangey/yellow stripe along it.

Lee1985, you serve with the raf pol don't you? Do the RAF police officers (comissioned) get stuck in just like you airmen? (sorry I don't know what to call you because the word officer can be confusing in the context of the military. Or are you an officer?

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Posted 03 September 2008 - 07:08 PM

Vehicles marked with Service Police are RN only, there is no Royal Navy Provost Branch anymore or RM Police Troop, both are now officially RN Service Police.

Don't read too much into Southwick Park being Tri Service, the Defence Police College (which it is) is a cost saving measure, cheaper to trade (as in Policing) train service personnel at one establishment.

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Posted 04 September 2008 - 01:25 AM

Vehicles marked with Service Police are RN only, there is no Royal Navy Provost Branch anymore or RM Police Troop, both are now officially RN Service Police.

Don't read too much into Southwick Park being Tri Service, the Defence Police College (which it is) is a cost saving measure, cheaper to trade (as in Policing) train service personnel at one establishment.


Dont know about the vehicles mate as the one the RMP are using at southwick park has service police on it and they have some small RMP crests on the rear quarters. They probably just borrowed it off the RNP and stuck their bits on it?? Like we did with some of their bikes.

I saw one of them in plymouth during the summer holidays when I went away for the weekend. On the stabbies it said "RN Police" on the back. The van was very boring though, just white with a orangey/yellow stripe along it.

Lee1985, you serve with the raf pol don't you? Do the RAF police officers (comissioned) get stuck in just like you airmen? (sorry I don't know what to call you because the word officer can be confusing in the context of the military. Or are you an officer?


Yep currently serving and im not a commisoned officer. From my experience i have not known any "officers" get stuck in but some of the lads have had previous bosses that have.

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Posted 06 September 2008 - 06:24 PM

and gate guard, air hub security, base security, local policing issues in family quarters. If excitement i would suggest RMP, if its routine then the RAF.


Why RMP for excitement? What do they do differently to RAF Plod?

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Posted 07 September 2008 - 12:34 AM

Why RMP for excitement? What do they do differently to RAF Plod?

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a whole lot more

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 06:41 AM

a whole lot more

Especially when out on Ops. A RAFP tour will involve working in an airbase, doing more of a routine policing job. An RMP tour could involve routine policing in large camps, but could also involve mentoring local national police forces, close support work with other army units, detainee processing and handling, and many other jobs.

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Posted 25 October 2009 - 03:42 PM

As I understand it, under current regulations, it would appear that the three service police branches (Royal Navy Police, Royal Military Police and Royal Air Force Police) do not have the powers of a constable. Only the Ministry of Defence Police, a civilian organisation, do have that power. Generally speaking, the three MILPOLS only have jurisdiction over military personnel and those civilians working/living under military direction.

On the issue of blues and twos, all three military organisations use them but as to their legality who knows. The two yellow liveried Honda ST1100 bikes shown above in this thread are in fact Royal Logistic Corps Bomb Disposal Unit bikes (no unit ID so as not to cause alarm apparently) - under any argument, a valid use of 'lights and sound'.

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Posted 25 October 2009 - 07:25 PM

If anyone went as far as sticking military police on, then I'm sure that a court would find that they were indeed using them for 'police purposes'.

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Posted 25 October 2009 - 10:38 PM

The bikes are used also for escort duties with the cavalry from St' John's barracks and i have worked with them in the parks to and from the barracks when in the Parks Constabulary.

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Posted 26 October 2009 - 12:55 PM

As I understand it, under current regulations, it would appear that the three service police branches (Royal Navy Police, Royal Military Police and Royal Air Force Police) do not have the powers of a constable. Only the Ministry of Defence Police, a civilian organisation, do have that power. Generally speaking, the three MILPOLS only have jurisdiction over military personnel and those civilians working/living under military direction.

On the issue of blues and twos, all three military organisations use them but as to their legality who knows. The two yellow liveried Honda ST1100 bikes shown above in this thread are in fact Royal Logistic Corps Bomb Disposal Unit bikes (no unit ID so as not to cause alarm apparently) - under any argument, a valid use of 'lights and sound'.


The service police only have jurisdiction over service personnel, civilian contractors etc and dependents come under the jurisdiction of MDP. The earlier quote that any vehicle marked with service police will be RN police is wrong , I saw one outside that RMP office on a visit recently and asked if the RN Police were also working from here and I was told that all three service police vehicles are now marked with service police.




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