my worst shift
Posted 31 December 2004 - 01:01 AM
Posted 31 December 2004 - 01:13 AM
Posted 31 December 2004 - 01:20 AM
body under a train no probs with but the family side of things na im still up thinking about it now this happened at 8pm
Morning spc2staffs, that's one of the tasks I'm not looking forward to, the other being actually dealing with a fatality :-(
wonder if there is a course on this kind of policing
Posted 31 December 2004 - 01:32 AM
Posted 31 December 2004 - 01:35 AM
i have posted this in general dis see if any one knows
Just wondering if there are specially trained officers that should be undertaking this sort of 'job' with additional training regards counselling (??)
Posted 31 December 2004 - 03:11 PM
When he got back to the station, he broke down in tears - which is totally understandable.
Posted 31 December 2004 - 06:54 PM
I'll move this to General Discussion...
Posted 01 January 2005 - 07:38 AM
thanks o lordy one i did not know what was the best room to post it
What a horrible job
I'll move this to General Discussion...
Posted 01 January 2005 - 08:52 AM
My opinion is that, yes there does need to be specially trained police officers for this role; after all, aren't traffic cops in other forces trained in this sort of thing? Then again, BTP might not want to spend the money... Then again, maybe this has never been suggested?
Thanks for sharing this mate. I wish you well and hope you're given help to cope with it if you feel you need it.
Posted 01 January 2005 - 12:43 PM
Posted 01 January 2005 - 12:46 PM
On another occasion informing a young mother that her baby which was in an ICU had died.
And telling a family that their twin daughters + another had died in a car crash
( uninsured mini cab driver)
In an ideal world the officer should be FLO trained ( more are) but at 2am it could be anyone. From experience the sight of a uniform at the door always gives them some warning of bad news if a loved one has not arrived home.
Also during the Ambo dispute turning up without any kit and not being able to do anything (no defib/drugs/ oxygen/pain killers)
Edited by avenger, 01 January 2005 - 12:54 PM.
Posted 04 January 2005 - 11:44 AM
I personally think that the police should employ social workers for jobs like that. Nothing in the training can prepare someone for that.
I am not looking forward to having to go to a one under. Not that one should express any kind of preference, but I would personally find it more disturbing to deal with the incident at the scene then break the news.
Posted 04 January 2005 - 02:01 PM
I've done a counselling course, as it was an optional module in my degree, however, nothing can prepare you for delivering bad news, and I'm dreading the first time I have to do it.
Posted 04 January 2005 - 02:31 PM
Posted 04 January 2005 - 03:06 PM
Firstly one thing as nurses we are taught to do, is called reflective writing. This is used to write down a positive or negative situation in order to make sense of what happened and or discover what (if anything) could have been done better etc. A good reflective model is GIBBS (the author) model of reflection. I have used this technique several times as a special, and many many times in nursing. You will already do it in some form in your head, this just makes it simple.
When dealing with grief, it is important to understand the stages of GRIEF. There are 5, these are, Denial and isolation
By knowing this, you understand a little better, why someone, for example is behaving aggressively towards you.
When speeking with the bereived, it is important to observe effective communicatinoal skills.
Sit squarley (face on)
Open welcoming, receptive posture
Lean forward (suggests attention and interest)
This in our field is known as the SOLER acronym (WALSH, 2002)
Further to this, never feel you need to say something when nothing is being said, think personal safety (some people can become aggressive), dont lie. We are also taught that it is not a sin to shed a tear infact it can show empathy, however dont do a gazza and cause a flash flood in the living room. There is much more advice that could be given but my fingers are bleeding now and am losing all feeling in me bum.
IMPORTANT: This is stuff taught and researched to us or by us as nurses. I have posted it as a GENERAL help if indeed it is to anyone. It is no substitute for any training you might recieve as specials but it should help.
All this info is out there, and one particular person to look up on grief (as a starting point) KUBLER-ROSS.
Hope it all helps
Posted 04 January 2005 - 05:38 PM
Hope you are OK though mate
Posted 04 January 2005 - 10:56 PM
They are trained to the job after all.
Posted 04 January 2005 - 11:28 PM
I havent had to do anything like that yet and I hope its a good long while before I do.
It must be incredibly distressing for everyone.
Posted 04 January 2005 - 11:33 PM
however dont do a gazza and cause a flash flood in the living room.
Have only done a couple of Death Messages. Both times with a reg. Definitely not one of the better aspects of the job but, unfortunately, a necessary one.
Found it difficult to stem any emotions I was feeling at the time. What I found was that later on I just let it all out on my own. Spoke to a few other cops about and they said the same thing. I suppose though that everyone has a different coping mechanism for these events.
Grampian has excellent support from Occupational welfare, especially after the likes of Fatal RTAs etc. Good to know there is someone to talk to if needed.
Posted 05 January 2005 - 01:45 AM
As people have said, its not a nice job to do, especially at the time of year you had to. But dont forget your force has many ways it can help you. There are always people to speak to, and they provide councilling etc.
Hope you are OK though mate
I couldn't agree more with the above statement.
I am not a counsellor in any way. I'm only going to offer my 'few' years of experience.
Don't be afraid to talk about it or even afraid to want to talk about it. It is a dreaded situation which is very difficult for someone with little experience to cope with.
You may be able to....some people think they can. It might be something that will come back to you in later years and give you nightmares.
All I'd add is to not be afraid to use your force's counselling service. You will be able to do it through your OHU.
Good luck mate...
Posted 07 January 2005 - 10:12 PM
It must be so hard.
Posted 08 January 2005 - 07:49 PM
I know it sounds harsh but it's good to distance yourself when dealing with death otherwise you tend to dwell on it and it will eventually cause you problems.
The most shocking one I did, was to tell an elderly mother that her son was dead...I knocked on her door and asked quietly and tactfully if I could come in and have a chat....she let me in and we sat in the front room..I told her very gently that her son had passed away...she looked straight at me and said 'is that it..I thought it was something serious...he was a good for nothing layabout anyway'
What do you say to that?????
Posted 08 January 2005 - 08:13 PM
I would most probably shrug her comment off with a discreet 'chuckle' if you get me ... as she clearly couldn't care less from that comment.
Posted 08 January 2005 - 09:56 PM
Posted 08 January 2005 - 10:06 PM
Going a bit senile obviously