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#1 Sailor

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Posted 15 December 2004 - 03:58 PM

Source: http://news.bbc.co.u...cas/4097367.stm

Cuba threat over Christmas lights 

The US says it wants to draw attention to human rights
Cuba's most senior US diplomat says he has been warned by the government of serious consequences unless he takes down Christmas decorations in Havana.
James Cason says he will not remove the display at the American interests section, which includes a reference to 75 dissidents jailed last year.

Fourteen have been freed since the arrests took place in March 2003, in a major clampdown on political dissent.

Cuba has twice told US diplomats to remove all decorations immediately.


It describes those it jailed as "mercenaries in the pay of the United States".

  We're prepared to pay whatever price for the things we believe in

James Cason 
The display at the US interests section - so-called because the United States and Cuba do not have diplomatic relations - includes a huge white Santa Claus, an image of galloping reindeer and a flashing sign wishing Cubans a Happy Christmas.

A large figure 75, is picked out in neon, inside a large circle.

James Cason, head of the interests section, says the decorations will remain in place until the end of the holidays and that any action taken by Cuba against US personnel or the US mission in Havana will not affect his government's determination to draw attention to human rights.

"We're prepared to pay whatever price for the things we believe in," Mr Cason said.

"They could expel us, they could continue to hinder our activities... We don't know what they're going to do."

The BBC's Stephen Gibbs in the capital, Havana, says the display does seem designed to irritate the Cuban government.

He adds that the government cancelled Christmas as a holiday for several decades in an apparent bid to increase sugar production.


I just love the fact that the US is trying to highlight the Cuban Human Rights issues whilst it holds hundreads of "war combatants" without charge or status as POW in Guantanama Bay, CUBA!

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Posted 15 December 2004 - 06:07 PM

War combatants? I think you mean "terrorists."

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Posted 16 December 2004 - 09:05 AM

War combatants? I think you mean "terrorists."

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Without burden of proof? Maybe they are terrorists, maybe not. We don't know for sure. suspected terrorists may be more apt.

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Posted 16 December 2004 - 09:16 AM

War combatants? I think you mean "terrorists."

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Actually, I got it wrong. They are known as "Enemy Combatants"..

Not terrorists.. Whatever happened to the US justice system: "Innocent till proven guilty?"

Charge them, take them through the courts, and prison then for the rest of their lives. That I don't have a problem with.

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Posted 16 December 2004 - 03:40 PM

Whatever happened to the US justice system: "Innocent till proven guilty?"

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You want to see a horrifying picture of the American justice system?
Do a Google search on "Roger Coleman" and "death penalty".

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Posted 17 December 2004 - 09:39 AM

Sorry.. I was using the word "American Justice" very loosely.

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Posted 17 December 2004 - 10:23 PM

They are military prisoners, criminal justice system does not apply. It's ironic that most of the detainees at Gitmo are enjoying a higher standard of living than they've ever known, 3 square meals, medical treatment, etc. In fact some have been so delighted with it they've expressed interest in emigrating to the USA.

It is interesting to read of the posters' outrage at the "injustice" of the whole Gitmo situation. Stuff like that just doesn't happen in the UK, does it? Apart from Diplock Courts, Prevention of Terrorism Act detentions, Castlereagh Holding Centre, internments without trial, etc. But that's alright, I understand, Britain was and still is fighting a war against vicious terrorists. It all seems good to me. But it seems what's sauce for the goose...etc.

Perhaps you all are just overdosed on BBC/Daily Mirror rhetoric, or could it just be plain old anti-US sentiment.

Time to get off the high horses gentlemen.

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Posted 17 December 2004 - 10:56 PM

Time to get off the high horses gentlemen.

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:whistle:

If we take a close look at how many people have actually been charged and sentenced for these terrorist activities, the findings make interesting reading. These people are so awful, their crimes so heinous and the charge list is so long that apart from The Shoe Bomber guy, there have been no sentences handed down. Maybe they have actually done nothing wrong? Maybe they were if anything defending their country? I know that if the US invaded the UK I would do all I could to protect my home and family from them, if that meant taking lives then so be it.

We are all so hung up on the stories pumped out about the global war on terror and the terror networks quietly working within our societies to destroy the West that we can't actually step back and ask the obvious questions - if they are actually terrorists why are they not being charged?

Don't believe everything fed to you, propaganda is dished out wherever you live in the World.

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Posted 18 December 2004 - 01:21 PM

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Please be keeping nice and friendly.

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Posted 18 December 2004 - 09:20 PM

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Please be keeping nice and friendly.

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Goes without saying :whistle:

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Posted 20 December 2004 - 02:22 PM

Source: http://news.bbc.co.u...cas/4097367.stm
I just love the fact that the US is trying to highlight the Cuban Human Rights issues whilst it holds hundreads of "war combatants" without charge or status as POW in Guantanama Bay, CUBA!

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In a related issue, I thought it odd that a few weeks ago, the USA were criticising the elections in Ukraine for being unfair.

Like the USA has a right to tell anyone else how to run an election - after their debacle four years ago...

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Posted 20 December 2004 - 05:25 PM

In a related issue, I thought it odd that a few weeks ago, the USA were criticising the elections in Ukraine for being unfair.

Like the USA has a right to tell anyone else how to run an election - after their debacle four years ago...

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I noticed that.... One rule for them, another for everyone else!

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Posted 20 December 2004 - 05:48 PM

They are military prisoners, criminal justice system does not apply.


Says who? Your justice system?

It's ironic that most of the detainees at Gitmo


Can't spell Guantanamo?

are enjoying a higher standard of living than they've ever known, 3 square meals, medical treatment, etc.


Oh, so now you're trying to convince us that the "enemy combatants" actually want to stay at "Gitmo".

In fact some have been so delighted with it they've expressed interest in emigrating to the USA.


And you heard this on "news"? (I use the word "news" in its loosest term)

It is interesting to read of the posters' outrage at the "injustice" of the whole Gitmo situation.


Where did you see the 'posters' outrage?? And why is it interesting? And still can't spell Guantanamo?

Stuff like that just doesn't happen in the UK, does it?


Who said it didn't?.. But we don't try to go around the world tell them it's our way or the highway..

Apart from Diplock Courts, Prevention of Terrorism Act detentions, Castlereagh Holding Centre, internments without trial, etc. But that's alright, I understand, Britain was and still is fighting a war against vicious terrorists.


You understand what?

It all seems good to me. But it seems what's sauce for the goose...etc.


Pardon me?

Perhaps you all are just overdosed on BBC/Daily Mirror rhetoric, or could it just be plain old anti-US sentiment.


You know. I used to have faith in the US until this whole Iraq mess. Have you guys ever wondered why there is "plain old anti-US sentiment"? And no, it's not because we're jealous of your 'freedom' (if you're a non-muslim, non-Arabic) and democracy! It's not that we're jealous of your people killing SUV's. Think about it long and hard and then step out into the world and see if anything looks different.

Time to get off the high horses gentlemen.


Sorry.. Don't know how to ride a horse.. Yeaaahhaaaa...

Edited by Sailor, 20 December 2004 - 05:52 PM.


#14 Sailor

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Posted 20 December 2004 - 05:54 PM

In a related issue, I thought it odd that a few weeks ago, the USA were criticising the elections in Ukraine for being unfair.

Like the USA has a right to tell anyone else how to run an election - after their debacle four years ago...

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"Do as I say, not as I do" comes to mind..

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Posted 20 December 2004 - 10:55 PM

Isn't it the job of the U.S. to be the world police on human rights and governement policy? Oh, wait... wasn't the U.N. supposed to do that?! :whistle:

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Posted 21 December 2004 - 08:55 PM

Isn't it the job of the U.S. to be the world police on human rights and governement policy?  Oh, wait... wasn't the U.N. supposed to do that?! :whistle:

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Or, heres a thought, we could let countries manage their own affairs as they see fit, and try to negotiate and help them to build a better populance. Just because the West likes Democracy doesn't mean it is the answer for everyone. The U.N is as good as useless in my opinion and is outdated, could do with a bit of an overhaul.

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Posted 21 December 2004 - 11:26 PM

I was being sarcastic :whistle:

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Posted 22 December 2004 - 01:15 PM

What they didnt report in the real story is that the christmas decorations are actually straining the country's antiquated national grid, and are there, infact, as instruments of american industrial sabotage to further break the Cuban Economy and cease cigar production. I must warn fidel at once.

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Posted 23 December 2004 - 09:39 PM

I was being sarcastic  :whistle:

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`I know, I was just helping you along with the sarcasm :lol: