i dont know how many of you watched the release of this re recording this eve??
i did i cried i cannot believe we live in a "civilised" world when babies and young children let alone adults are starving dying of hunger and thirst
i find it hard to believe that in the 21st centrury a world that is supposed to be so so so upstanding christian and moralyand politicaly correct leaders can send armies off to help steal oil for their own benefit and wealth and spit on a humanitarian crisis as though it was a piece of dog muck in the gutter.
like some in this forum i was here 20 yrs ago 16 yrs old i was when sir bob did this first time round emotion amongst people ran high then
but why is it that the music industry has to stand up again and do the job of the political masses again. the black watch and our soliders should not be in iraq but in sudan. i hope the food blair eats this eve sticks in his throat and chokes him
band aid 20
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YazzyB
, Nov 18 2004 07:45 PM
14 replies to this topic
#2
Posted 18 November 2004 - 07:52 PM
Very true Trilux. But our troops should also have gone into Zimbabwe where British passport holders were being slaughtered so Mugabe's henchmen could steal their land, some would say we stole the land off their ancestors in the first place. a tad :offtopic: but still relevant I feel.
I hope the situation in Sudan does get sorted but it will take more than this.
As for the song, well it's nowhere near as powerful as the original, a bit weak IMO.
I would like to know what happens to the billions that this country gives out in overseas aid.
I hope the situation in Sudan does get sorted but it will take more than this.
As for the song, well it's nowhere near as powerful as the original, a bit weak IMO.
I would like to know what happens to the billions that this country gives out in overseas aid.
Edited by Dave Humphreys, 18 November 2004 - 07:53 PM.
#3
Posted 18 November 2004 - 07:57 PM
But our troops should also have gone into Zimbabwe where British passport holders were being slaughtered so Mugabe's henchmen could steal their land
perhaps thats why the ghurkas went out to the ivory coast to help protect british pats
i agree poss not so as powerful but its what it stands for that hurts me
#4
Posted 18 November 2004 - 09:03 PM
Live Aid/Band Aid is certainly a good cause, but I can't say I'm the world's biggest fan of this remake.
Some interesting reading is available at http://www.hrw.org/r.../2004/sudan0504
Some interesting reading is available at http://www.hrw.org/r.../2004/sudan0504
Edited by marcpiano, 18 November 2004 - 09:16 PM.
#5
Posted 18 November 2004 - 09:22 PM
I watched the first showing of the video this evening and I did indeed have a lump in my throat. It is such a shame though that this is a phase and come next week, the cause will be forgotten about.
I did find it quite ironic though that Will Young had a tear in his eye, even though he was standing there wearing his designer clothes
I did find it quite ironic though that Will Young had a tear in his eye, even though he was standing there wearing his designer clothes
#6
Posted 19 November 2004 - 08:32 AM
Oh come on guys, what do you want everyone to do give 90% of our wages to help others, wear rags and spend our lives praying for the third World? We live in a strange World and most people don't give a damn about anyone else, the only thing you can do to change it is change your own life. If you really feel Will Young should not wear smart clothes or that Tony Blair chokes on his fod I really hope you wear rags yourselves or give the majority of your income to good causes.
I spend my life helping smaller and weaker charities to raise money. Many would bow down and kiss your feet for a £100 donation, yet that kind of gift comes along rarely. These charities are usually run by volunteers and have little or no resources to help them to raise funds, which is a vicious circle we are trying to break.
Yes, we should help the World, but don't you think we should look after our own people first? I can tell you - as can many people on here I am sure - stories of depravation, poverty, sadness and misery that will do more than raise a tear, they will have you blubbing for weeks.
Band Aid is needed because you and I choose to elect a government to run society in the way it is run. If all our resources were ploughed into the third World and it's problems most of the UK would moan about how this or that isn't being properly funded or the price of council tax. Instead of moaning about Tony Blair or what clothes some pop star wears, bear a thought for the starving children of the world or the abused and battered people in this country especially when you are standing and moaning about your train running late or the price of the fuel that powers your car.
And I agree, the song is not as good this time around but it should still help raise some much needed money - just a shame we have to do it by selling records, but then maybe that just about sums up our attitude these days eh!
I spend my life helping smaller and weaker charities to raise money. Many would bow down and kiss your feet for a £100 donation, yet that kind of gift comes along rarely. These charities are usually run by volunteers and have little or no resources to help them to raise funds, which is a vicious circle we are trying to break.
Yes, we should help the World, but don't you think we should look after our own people first? I can tell you - as can many people on here I am sure - stories of depravation, poverty, sadness and misery that will do more than raise a tear, they will have you blubbing for weeks.
Band Aid is needed because you and I choose to elect a government to run society in the way it is run. If all our resources were ploughed into the third World and it's problems most of the UK would moan about how this or that isn't being properly funded or the price of council tax. Instead of moaning about Tony Blair or what clothes some pop star wears, bear a thought for the starving children of the world or the abused and battered people in this country especially when you are standing and moaning about your train running late or the price of the fuel that powers your car.
And I agree, the song is not as good this time around but it should still help raise some much needed money - just a shame we have to do it by selling records, but then maybe that just about sums up our attitude these days eh!
#7
Posted 19 November 2004 - 09:39 AM
I will be sending a donation to Unicef rather than purchasing the record.
Many of the larger charities have such large overheads they eat up most of the money before it gets there. I remember a charity (I don't want to name them but they do a lot of work helping the aged) and they only used to get 45p out of every pound through to the end cause. Their sharp dressed 'salesmen' that go round schools in their company cars (earning commission) eats a lot of the proceeds.
It's always best to research the charities you give to throughly. I remember there were various lads at university that would earn hundreds of pounds each through Children in need. They would dress up and do the rounds in the union bar and local pubs and pocket all the takings.
Many of the larger charities have such large overheads they eat up most of the money before it gets there. I remember a charity (I don't want to name them but they do a lot of work helping the aged) and they only used to get 45p out of every pound through to the end cause. Their sharp dressed 'salesmen' that go round schools in their company cars (earning commission) eats a lot of the proceeds.
It's always best to research the charities you give to throughly. I remember there were various lads at university that would earn hundreds of pounds each through Children in need. They would dress up and do the rounds in the union bar and local pubs and pocket all the takings.
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Posted 19 November 2004 - 10:31 AM
yes - good song but the artists, with one or two exceptions, i.e. Bono are not as distinctive as those on the original single.
I understand that as before, every penny will go to charity and that the Govt has agreed to waive VAT. On the first single, Bob and Midge had to fight tooth and nail with the Tory Govt under Maggie as she wanted to charge VAT.
Eventually, she agreed to pay the VAT back to the charity by means of a donation.
On the subject of Sudan - it is a humanitarian crisis and there is genocide going on in that country. I have a Brother in the RAF who told me last night that action is likely to be taken to help those suffering - so lets all pray that these poverty stricken people will get the help they need.
John
I understand that as before, every penny will go to charity and that the Govt has agreed to waive VAT. On the first single, Bob and Midge had to fight tooth and nail with the Tory Govt under Maggie as she wanted to charge VAT.
Eventually, she agreed to pay the VAT back to the charity by means of a donation.
On the subject of Sudan - it is a humanitarian crisis and there is genocide going on in that country. I have a Brother in the RAF who told me last night that action is likely to be taken to help those suffering - so lets all pray that these poverty stricken people will get the help they need.
John
#10
Posted 19 November 2004 - 10:45 AM
I tend to agree with The Godfather's post to some degree. On one hand yes, it's brilliant that pop stars can get together to produce a charity record and all the rest, and it's dreadful what did happen and is happening to millions of innocent people now. I also think it's magic that people can and do give donations so freely. Issues such as poverty and starvation need to be raised and tackled, and robustly, But...
...But how can the UK, pleading poverty itself when it comes to pensions and the NHS, suddenly find billions of pounds in overseas aid? And why is it always the UK that finds more than other countries, quite apart from other aid such as military support? I remember well the Ethiopian crisis of 20 years ago. At the same time its people were dying in their millions, the Ethiopian government sat on its hands yet were buying fleets of Hawk military jets.
Before I am castigated for saying all this, I realise there is a world of difference between well-fed and humane conditions (by and large) for the NHS and pensioners in this country, and starving millions in third world nations. But if the money is there in abundance for aid, then it is also there for domestic matters. Further, how much of that money given to nations actually gets spent where it was intended and not get siphoned off into various governmental accounts and corrupt politicians of that country?
I also remember the hypocrisy regarding some fund-raising methods. People sat in baths of baked beans - what an insult. Millions starving and you're raising money how? Banquets were held in plush surroundings - fine, the tickets cost £x hundred a head for charity - millions starving and you raise funds by eating more in the first course than the people you are collecting for have in a week?
It irritates me greatly when I hear otherwise well-fed persons in this country whinge 'Can we have something to eat now? I'm starving'. Hungry perhaps, starving no.
...But how can the UK, pleading poverty itself when it comes to pensions and the NHS, suddenly find billions of pounds in overseas aid? And why is it always the UK that finds more than other countries, quite apart from other aid such as military support? I remember well the Ethiopian crisis of 20 years ago. At the same time its people were dying in their millions, the Ethiopian government sat on its hands yet were buying fleets of Hawk military jets.
Before I am castigated for saying all this, I realise there is a world of difference between well-fed and humane conditions (by and large) for the NHS and pensioners in this country, and starving millions in third world nations. But if the money is there in abundance for aid, then it is also there for domestic matters. Further, how much of that money given to nations actually gets spent where it was intended and not get siphoned off into various governmental accounts and corrupt politicians of that country?
I also remember the hypocrisy regarding some fund-raising methods. People sat in baths of baked beans - what an insult. Millions starving and you're raising money how? Banquets were held in plush surroundings - fine, the tickets cost £x hundred a head for charity - millions starving and you raise funds by eating more in the first course than the people you are collecting for have in a week?
It irritates me greatly when I hear otherwise well-fed persons in this country whinge 'Can we have something to eat now? I'm starving'. Hungry perhaps, starving no.
#11
Posted 19 November 2004 - 11:00 AM
Whilst I, too, am appalled by the situation in 3rd World countries, I am tired of things like Children in Need and Comic Relief.
I don't know why, but it all seems pointless to me. The money raised helps ease some of the problems, yes, but no long-term solutions can be found without some kind of concerted effort from the Governments of the more well-off countries.
Myself, I have a direct debit set up whereby I donate a significant amount to the aid charity Concern on a monthly basis. It helps me sleep at night to think that at least I am helping to make a difference for someone somewhere who needs help, even if my country isn't.
But as David has said, it is not the case that the Government won't help, but more a case that they can't help. They are of course going to concentrate on home issues and services - that is, after all, where the votes lie.
I don't know why, but it all seems pointless to me. The money raised helps ease some of the problems, yes, but no long-term solutions can be found without some kind of concerted effort from the Governments of the more well-off countries.
Myself, I have a direct debit set up whereby I donate a significant amount to the aid charity Concern on a monthly basis. It helps me sleep at night to think that at least I am helping to make a difference for someone somewhere who needs help, even if my country isn't.
But as David has said, it is not the case that the Government won't help, but more a case that they can't help. They are of course going to concentrate on home issues and services - that is, after all, where the votes lie.
#12
Posted 19 November 2004 - 01:08 PM
I will be sending a donation to Unicef rather than purchasing the record.
Many of the larger charities have such large overheads they eat up most of the money before it gets there. I remember a charity (I don't want to name them but they do a lot of work helping the aged) and they only used to get 45p out of every pound through to the end cause. Their sharp dressed 'salesmen' that go round schools in their company cars (earning commission) eats a lot of the proceeds.
It's always best to research the charities you give to throughly. I remember there were various lads at university that would earn hundreds of pounds each through Children in need. They would dress up and do the rounds in the union bar and local pubs and pocket all the takings.
They are the better ones, under charity law they don't have to give that much. My business partner used to be a senior marketing manager for oxfam, who paid him more than similarly sized corporate companies would have done, and wasted far too much money - hence he works for them no longer.
#13
Posted 19 November 2004 - 02:31 PM
I will be sending a donation to Unicef rather than purchasing the record.
and like wise and oxfam
i think what guts me guys is not the money aid we need to send to these countries
its the manpower we could provide
alot of these people could be helped if the UN stepped in a lot earlier and prevented the refugee status in the firstplace
whats wrong with the world why is it that humanitarian assistance only comes as a knee jerk reaction after months and months of watching the deteriation of a nation
alot of you will know i am against the current "conflict" in iraq. it stunns me if the likes of blair are willing to pump billions in to a conflict to wich he states the oil is of no interest (tongue in cheek here) to him or bush just purley in the name of democracy (fetch me a bucket
) then why cant we afford the same concern to sudan and other like countries lets face it if there had been oil in the balkans no where near half the deaths would have occured before that conflict would have been interviened and stopped
had enough soap box destroyed carrying on looking for overseas jobs
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#14
Posted 19 November 2004 - 03:01 PM
I give to two charities only. The RBL Poppy Appeal and Royal Air Force Association Wings Appeal, why? Because I know where the moneys going.
I know it's helping a fellow ex-servicemen and women, rather than possibly lining the pockets of some tin pot dictator in an African country, which I suspect happens to a lot of charity money.
I know it's helping a fellow ex-servicemen and women, rather than possibly lining the pockets of some tin pot dictator in an African country, which I suspect happens to a lot of charity money.
#15
Posted 19 November 2004 - 07:17 PM
Since 1945 and the supposed fall of the nazi's showing the truth behind the holocaust there has been 21 known cases of genocide yet only 4 of them we actually physically did something to stop the war crimes.
Has the world learn't from the mistakes during WWII, clearly not.
The world is not at peace we are simply shielded from the problems of other less economically developed country's. Which insodently where also colonies of the british, french, spanish empires to name afew. European countries are as much to blame as the generals who carry out these acts because Britain and other countrys simply used country's resources and eventually over time left. Leaving country's fighting for leadership.
Just look at zimbabwe and the white farmers i dont see bush or blair doing anything to stop god only knows what is happening over there now there is a total media black out.
Nothing will be solved over night, nor in afew years maybe decades if your luckily. Conflicts will come and go and the world will never be out of tyranny just like britain will never become crime free.
The Godfather is spot on
Has the world learn't from the mistakes during WWII, clearly not.
The world is not at peace we are simply shielded from the problems of other less economically developed country's. Which insodently where also colonies of the british, french, spanish empires to name afew. European countries are as much to blame as the generals who carry out these acts because Britain and other countrys simply used country's resources and eventually over time left. Leaving country's fighting for leadership.
Just look at zimbabwe and the white farmers i dont see bush or blair doing anything to stop god only knows what is happening over there now there is a total media black out.
Nothing will be solved over night, nor in afew years maybe decades if your luckily. Conflicts will come and go and the world will never be out of tyranny just like britain will never become crime free.
The Godfather is spot on
