Firstly, how many non-smoking pubs and bars are in your town? Certainly not seen one anywhere round here, ever. And as for a 'non-smoking bit', and cigarettes not producing 'massive plumes of smoke', do you work for Pizza Hut? They think this too! They really believe that a small partition that stops 4' off of the ground with a sign saying no smoking on the other side can prevent it from drifting over! Bizarre! Yes, smoke does fill the room, very easily. Sure, a bit pub with one smoker will not exactly be smokey, but it doesnt take too many. And as for never being in a pub where the smoke choked you, maybe not, but have you honestly never been in a pub where your eyes hurt and throat was sore? If you havent I would be very surprised.
not many non smokingpubs/bars but let market forces decide not legislation- if there is such a need for them in the end companies will go non smoking- dont force them too.
Nope dont work for pizza hut thanks(mm wish i did though-buffet lunches) I cant say ive ever been in a pub where ive had my eyes stinging and throat hurting due to others smoking ,perhaps i dont spend enough time in pubs :grin:
As for no real danger from smoking to the health of anyone other than the smoker, please, give it up! Passive smoking means you are smoking indirectly, so get all the lovely ill effects from it. Sure, there may well be one report saying it doesnt, but for everyone saying it doesnt I am betting on hundreds that say it does, after all, how can it not? My Grandad chain smoked his way through life before dieing of a heart attack, my Nan never smoked once in her life, died from lung cancer 'from the effects of smoking', or so the doctor said, but then he may have been lying I guess.
What im trying to say here is that anyone who even tries to say anything other than smoking is bad is automatically jumped on and lambasted without anyone even listening to what they have to say. The anti smoking lobby even had a go at the hotel or whatever that this guy held his press conference in! Im not sure why so many are so afraid of even discussing the issue.
The "my friend/relative" situation is not imperical data its what we call circumstancial, my grandad smoked all his life and didnt die from it and my gran who lived with him is in her 70`s and going strong. Im not saying smoking doesnt kill/is harmful- ofcourse it is/does but as there is an age limit on it then it should be up to the person involved to make the choice. Its the same with alcohol.
I dont see why we need to legislate against it- if there is a genuine need for non smoking bars/clubs/venues then without fail companies will turn that way, after all they put profit above all else.
And don't believe everything you read in the Mail, it's bad for your health!
I dont necessarily believe anything i read in any paper but moreover i take what i read and consider the slant/political leaning of the paper involved. In this case i didnt see any reason to disbelieve what i was reading.
Edited by MattD, 25 October 2004 - 10:25 AM.