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[DKNwhy]

i dont mind smelling of booze when i come home buts its horrible after a night out on the town and you stink like a dead smoked kipper.

national ban please and i will go out more

Totally agree! I hate going out to clubs etc.. and coming home stinking of smoke! It's a baaaad habbit.. one which I don't participate.. so why should I have the fumes forced onto me?

Excellent idea Liverpool.. hope Birmingham will follow suit now!

[Whopper MacBig]

Record number of responses to Scottish Executive consultation exercise on smoking ...


http://news.bbc.co.u...and/3948759.stm

Source BBC

[David]

The same logic can be applied to smokers as well. Why should they have to stay away from non-smoking places??

What a completely illogical statement! The point is, they're non-smoking. No one is stopping a smoker going into the venue any more than a smoking venue is stopping me going in, all they're saying is, whilst here, don't smoke... the whole point of a non-smoking venue, surely?

Who is going to police it and deal with the fines?

I already questioned that earlier.

[Hades]

No one is stopping a smoker going into the venue any more than a smoking venue is stopping me going in

That's not the best argument i've heard for it David.. Sounds a bit like "I dont like smoking, so lets leave the smokers with the problem instead of me".

[David]

That's not the best argument i've heard for it David.. Sounds a bit like "I dont like smoking, so lets leave the smokers with the problem instead of me".

Sorry, not with you??

[MattD]

Firstly, how many non-smoking pubs and bars are in your town?  Certainly not seen one anywhere round here, ever.  And as for a 'non-smoking bit', and cigarettes not producing 'massive plumes of smoke', do you work for Pizza Hut?  They think this too!  They really believe that a small partition that stops 4' off of the ground with a sign saying no smoking on the other side can prevent it from drifting over!  Bizarre!  Yes, smoke does fill the room, very easily.  Sure, a bit pub with one smoker will not exactly be smokey, but it doesnt take too many.  And as for never being in a pub where the smoke choked you, maybe not, but have you honestly never been in a pub where your eyes hurt and throat was sore?  If you havent I would be very surprised.

not many non smokingpubs/bars but let market forces decide not legislation- if there is such a need for them in the end companies will go non smoking- dont force them too.

Nope dont work for pizza hut thanks(mm wish i did though-buffet lunches) I cant say ive ever been in a pub where ive had my eyes stinging and throat hurting due to others smoking ,perhaps i dont spend enough time in pubs :grin:

As for no real danger from smoking to the health of anyone other than the smoker, please, give it up!  Passive smoking means you are smoking indirectly, so get all the lovely ill effects from it.  Sure, there may well be one report saying it doesnt, but for everyone saying it doesnt I am betting on hundreds that say it does, after all, how can it not?  My Grandad chain smoked his way through life before dieing of a heart attack, my Nan never smoked once in her life, died from lung cancer 'from the effects of smoking', or so the doctor said, but then he may have been lying I guess.

What im trying to say here is that anyone who even tries to say anything other than smoking is bad is automatically jumped on and lambasted without anyone even listening to what they have to say. The anti smoking lobby even had a go at the hotel or whatever that this guy held his press conference in! Im not sure why so many are so afraid of even discussing the issue.

The "my friend/relative" situation is not imperical data its what we call circumstancial, my grandad smoked all his life and didnt die from it and my gran who lived with him is in her 70`s and going strong. Im not saying smoking doesnt kill/is harmful- ofcourse it is/does but as there is an age limit on it then it should be up to the person involved to make the choice. Its the same with alcohol.

I dont see why we need to legislate against it- if there is a genuine need for non smoking bars/clubs/venues then without fail companies will turn that way, after all they put profit above all else.

And don't believe everything you read in the Mail, it's bad for your health!

I dont necessarily believe anything i read in any paper but moreover i take what i read and consider the slant/political leaning of the paper involved. In this case i didnt see any reason to disbelieve what i was reading.

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Edited by MattD, 25 October 2004 - 10:25 AM.

[tallpaul]

Just to add fuel to the fire -

this is the latest on (im)possible enforcement of a smoking ban..


here

[Godfather]

Just to add fuel to the fire  -

this is the latest on (im)possible enforcement of a smoking ban..
here

I think that was kind of obvious though, I don't see how it can be enforced really, far too much work for already overstretched police forces.

[Sailor]

Just to add fuel to the fire  -

this is the latest on (im)possible enforcement of a smoking ban..
here

Good! Someone with some common sense!!

I guess this will lead to "smoking wardens" ??

[Sidious]

70% of the population are non-smokers. I don't understand why I as a non smoker should have to sit in a smoky pub when I want to go out for a pint. After a night out, my clothes stink of cigarette smoke and have to be washed. God knows what it is doing to my lungs.

People should be allowed to smoke where it will not impact on those who don't wish to be contaminated by it.

[Kevinl03]

70% of the population are non-smokers.

To be honest Kev, I don't really look at statistics

From a different thread I know, but I thought I'd be pedantic anyway

Edited by kevinl03, 10 November 2004 - 10:20 AM.

[Biscuit]

The Scottish Executive have agreed to ban smoking in public places

Evening Times

[MartinC]

The Scottish Executive have agreed to ban smoking in public places

Evening Times

Fantastic. :wink:

[Sidious]

70% of the population are non-smokers.

To be honest Kev, I don't really look at statistics

From a different thread I know, but I thought I'd be pedantic anyway

Point taken

[sandbag]

The people i talked ot though did seem to think that more people were staying in having a bottle of wine/beer and watching a movie whilst being able to smoke rather than go ot the pub.

The extortionate prices Dublin publicans charge for drink has as much to do with that as the smoking ban :sad:

[Hades]

The extortionate prices Dublin publicans charge for drink has as much to do with that as the smoking ban  :sad:

Cheaper than a lot of places in london mate, certainly no more expensive anyway...

[David]

That's as maybe chaps, but let's not drift off onto the cost of a pint of beer - though it's enough to rant and rave over too!

[Godfather]

So what does everyone think now it looks like it will actually happen? I think the fact that you will be able to smoke in licensed premises that do not serve food is a stop gap, and they will change it again later to mean all premises. Some say the ideas are braver and go further than they thought they would.

[PCmonkey]

The Welsh Assembly are saying that the ban in Wales will be much stronger than that which is proposed in England:

BBC News Wales report on proposed smoking ban

[Hades]

I think that it's very, very strange.

The ban SHOULD be to protect workers, yet they seem to be proposing that it's to stop customers eating being irritated! There's no difference between a pub that serves food and one that doesnt, other than the food and the fact that smoking will be especially unpleasent to most non-smokers (AND smokers) whilst they are eating.

I think this is a feeble attempt by the government. If they want to ban it then they should do it properly, and not take 3 years to do it. It stinks of PR stunt more than any effort to protect people, in my view. Most offices don't allow you to smoke inside now as it is - office space is valuable and not to be wasted by stinking smokers. Pubs that serve food as a main part of the business wont be so much affected by it, as theyre generally less smokey in any event, same for restaurants, as smokers (well, talking about me in any event) wont stop going to a restaurant because they cant smoke - i normally sit in the non-smoking area anyway! Pubs that dont serve food as a main part of the business wont be affected most likely as if it isnt a hugely profitable side of the business they might well just scrap the menu and keep the regulars that enjoy a beer and a smoke.

I DO support banning smoking at the bar, but most pubs (round here in any event) are starting to do that anyway, without legislation.

eh.

[PCmonkey]

Having just recieved a nice burn on my arm from some muppet dancing in a club holding a cigarrette I would love to see them banned altogether!

Idiot!

[Hades]

Having just recieved a nice burn on my arm from some muppet dancing in a club holding a cigarrette I would love to see them banned altogether!

Idiot!

You should have made use of your fire engine in the method i prescribed in the "Attacks On Fire Crews" thread

[PCmonkey]

You should have made use of your fire engine in the method i prescribed in the "Attacks On Fire Crews" thread

Good idea!

[Howzat]

A ban in pubs etc, i suppose that's ok. Butdoes that mean all the smokers will be forced into the streets? could this cause trouble with the rowdy ones?

I reckon a split pub. Smoking zone and non smoking zone.

[Kevinl03]

I reckon a split pub. Smoking zone and non smoking zone.

What, like most of them are now you mean?

Also, just because a pub has designated no-smoking areas (usually smaller than the smoking area), doesn't provide some kind of invisible barrier to smoke. It still affects the atmosphere of the whole place.