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[Black Rat]

The UFO Phenomenon

Do they exist ?

UFO's are the single most widely reported phenomenon in the world, thousands upon thousands of people claiming they have witnessed strange objects floating in the sky every year. From small flashing lights in the night sky, to silent metallic discs floating through the clouds in broad daylight, UFO's have remained the world's No.1 mystery for over 50 years. Ever since private pilot Kenneth Arnold reported seeing several metallic disks floating in formation during a test flight, these unexplained flying objects later referred to as "flying saucers." - a direct result of Arnold's later quote - "it moved like a saucer would if you skiffed it across the water."

UFO Physics

Perhaps the oddest features of UFO's are their incredible abilities when it comes to aerial manouvers. They have been witnessed to have been able to fly around - both vertically and horizontally with very little effort, even though they don't appear to have any means of propulsion. They have also been seen to vanish completely in the blink of an eye with absolutely no trace whatsoever. Although by now it seems obvious that UFO's do exist, the main question is no longer "are they real" - but "what are they ?"

UFO Origins

The answer to this that everyone wants to hear is "Aliens from outer space", though there could very well be a much more realistic conclusion. There is very little to suggest that UFO's, especially those seen around the Area51 airspace, are not simply new types of aircraft that the military have been testing. Other theories for these sightings include Hot Air Balloons, Weather Distortions, Flying Debris, Airships, Airplanes, Orbiting Spacecraft, Flocks of Birds, atmospheric phenomena and even kites. Although these things may account for over 90 percent of witness accounts, there are a few cases which leave serious doubt on this hypothesis.

It happens in Britain too.... or so they say:

One of Great Britains most significant Military-UFO incidents happened at Rendlesham Forest in Suffolk on three consecutive nights in late December 1980. Rendlesham is a vast pine forest east of Ipswich that is near Orford Ness. There is a prominent lighthouse (of which we will discuss later),as well as some other buildings that were situated on this island. In 1980, they were rumoured to be operated by the National Security Agency (NSA) - one of the US's most covert intelligence units. Stories of Top Secret experiments were rife, although the official function of the buildings was given as a site for research into 'over the horizon' radar. Gordon Levitt lived in an isolated house on the edge of the forest in Sudbourne. On December 26th, 1980, he had been out in the garden with his dog when he suddenly looked up and spotted a peculiar object flying towards them. The UFO looked like an upturned mushroom with a greenish-white glow.

WHATS YOUR THOUGHTS ?

[David]

I'd be surprised if there really isn't life on other planets, however, I do believe that so far all sightings can be put down to natural phenomena and tricks of light. All this hovering around then moving off - you don't travel billions of miles to have a quick look-see then jazz off home without even stopping to stretch your legs now do you? Unless you happen over Birmingham or Croydon by accident of course where you could be forgiven for getting out as quick as you can without anyone seeing you.

As for crop circles, I've never heard such tosh. Who is going to travel billions of miles using technology undreamed of to come to this piddling planet, always visiting at night, trampling down a bit of corn to try and communicate with us, then leaving before breakfast? Absolute fiddlesticks. Codswallop. Balderdash. If you're that advanced you aren't going to come unseen and unheard to trample a field in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night to say 'hi' now are you?

And why does it need to be carbon-based life (life as we know it!)? Ooh, Mars has water therefore it could sustain life. Nuts. Why? Why does water prove life? Or lack of it not? We have evolved to suit our elements on earth - other atmospheres are poisonous to us. so what's to say life can't evolve in other environments, the earth's being poisonous to them? Who says they have to drink water or breathe oxygen-nitrogen? Well? What about life but not as we know it?

So far though, I think all sightings are bunkum, though with open-mind I would be surprised that there isn't life on other planets somewhere.

[sarin]

They definately exist once you been sprayed with CS ...hehe

[pH_14]

I firmly believe there is someone else out there somewhere, but if the various big bang theories and the like are anything to go by, we all appeared at roughly the same time, so I have no reason to believe other life would be any more advanced than we are.

So don't expect to be saying hello to anyone with 5 arms all that soon.

[Cookie]

I have a colleague who has 17 years service. He finished work at 2 am one night and by 2.10 am he was ringing the nick and in all seriousness said there was UFO above the village pub.

We went down and there was nothing to be seen.

He maintains to this day he saw one and gets annoyed if wound up over it.

BR you know about this with Wally.

[RojanUK]

They definately exist! Just look at Sophie Ellis Bextor:

Need I say more?

EDIT: They took her photo off line. I can't blame them. However, to continue to emphasise my point I've replaced it with another. :wink:

But on a serious note: I think it's naive to think that we're the only living beings in the universe. Simple thought: If we can exist, then life can exist elsewhere too. And nobody knows how far they are technologically. Another misconception: That if they do exist they can't travel far across space, because we can't. Why? Who knows what they can do? We don't even know who 'they' are. So yes, I don't doubt that UFO's exist. However, I don't believe any of the stories about flying discs with pulsating lights in the sky, or little green men. I do however believe in the Roswell story and Area 51. For example.

Edited by RojanUK, 16 October 2004 - 03:44 PM.

[Godfather]

I'm with you on this Rojan, not the Sophie Ellis Bexter bit though! It is very arrogant of us to think that there is nothing else out there at all, but I don't really think they pop down to have a look then go again!

I recon there are other planets like ours, maybe they look different, maybe they are so advanced they don't have bodies as such and take on any form. Who knows. Maybe they too don't have the skill or knowledge to find other lifeforms.

I recon some sightings ma be real, but 99.999% are not, maybe not a lie, more of an illusion, trick of the eye, maybe a simple answer.

[Moley]

nanoo nanoo :grin:
sorry yes i do believe in UFO's especially the area 51 story, it's very hard to say if they are real, you can only say if you have seen them.

[MaW]

I've seen a few UFOs, no idea what they were - that's why they're called UFOs after all. I don't think they're alien spacecraft - or rather, I think it's possible that some might be alien spacecraft. It's often been thought by science fiction authors that a technologically advanced alien civilisation might wish to study us without interacting, either as a prelude to making contact once they have some understanding of us, or just to wait for us to reach a higher level of sophistication so that we would have a hope of being able to cope with them.

Personally, if we did have contact with beings capable of interstellar travel, I really don't think it would do us much good right now. We need to sort our own problems out first! The aliens aren't going to come along and solve all our problems.

However, there are quite definitely some very weird things going on in this world, and it would be foolish to claim that we knew what all of them were. One relatively recent phenomenon which is quite interesting are the black triangles, which tend to be seen near major population centres and moving fairly slowly. Either there's something odd flying around in the USA, or the local pollution's learned to fly formation.

[Black Rat]

But on a serious note: I think it's naive to think that we're the only living beings in the universe. Simple thought: If we can exist, then life can exist elsewhere too.

I'd go along with this theory in all honesty....

I hear people saying it's all codswallop and absolute rubbish... but you have to agree that it's pretty arrogant assumption on our part to think that we are the ONLY allegedly intelligent life in the universe

[Black Rat]

I have a colleague who has 17 years service. He finished work at 2 am one night and by 2.10 am he was ringing the nick and in all seriousness said there was UFO above the village pub.

We went down and there was nothing to be seen.

He maintains to this day he saw one and gets annoyed if wound up over it.

BR you know about this with Wally.

I wonder if this is where I got the idea from to post the original topic.... it was preying on my mind for some reason

[Black Rat]

And so we move on.....

THE ROSWELL INCIDENT

One of the most famous stories in 'UFO history' is that in 1947 an alien craft crashed in the New Mexico desert near Roswell and that civilians arriving at the scene witnessed dead and injured alien bodies. When the military arrived they captured the craft and aliens and initiated a massive cover-up.
The story has been bubbling along for many years, fueled by various pieces of fairly inconclusive evidence. However, 'Roswell Fever' has struck recently with, firstly, US congressman Steve Schiff of the GOA demanding the release of official documents relating to the event and, more importantly, the emergence of film footage which purports to show the military dissection of two of the alien corpses in 1947.

The film has violently divided opinion, but is certainly of sufficient apparent authenticity to warrant close examination.

If it is a hoax it is one of the most preposterous (and effective) stunts ever.
If it is genuine it is one of the most important scientific and philosophical discoveries in human history.

Whichever is the case it is, at the very least, entertaining to view the evidence for one's self...

One of the most prominent flaws with the Roswell film apparent to the open minded skeptic is that the corpses seem almost too human to be feasibly from an alien with a separate evolutionary history.
Many biologists would accept that it is not so unlikely that alien life from a reasonably similar environment might develop into a 'humanoid' form (2 legs/arms, head on top etc). Convergent evolution, the process by which geographically and evolutionarily disparate species come to resemble each other by evolving into what are simply the 'best designs', is well documented on earth. However, the Roswell footage shows bodies which still seem TOO human: Chimpanzees share 98.4% of human genes (Diamond, The Third Chimpanzee) but are vastly morphologically dissimilar from humans by comparison to the aliens., suggesting that they must have remarkably similar DNA to humans in order to look like this.

A few theories to explain this include:

Thousands of individuals have reported being abducted by aliens and subjected to medical examinations involving the methodical extraction of ova and sperm. It might therefore seem ( very remotely) possible that aliens have been creating 'more human' versions of their species using gene splicing technology. (perhaps....)

On a less world-shattering, but perhaps equally sinister level, Kent Jeffrey has suggested that the Roswell film may actually show a doctored human body with certain known medical conditions.

The eternal truism of time travel is 'time travel can't exist because if it did there would be visitors here from the future'. It has been suggested that 'aliens' may actually not be space travellers, but travellers in time- tourists from the future if you like. Certainly an extrapolation of our current evolutionary trends could leave us with a small, hairless body and a larger head.

Or alternatively there is some curiously solid evidence that UFOs may actually be relics from our past

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[Prop Idol]

One relatively recent phenomenon which is quite interesting are the black triangles, which tend to be seen near major population centres and moving fairly slowly. Either there's something odd flying around in the USA, or the local pollution's learned to fly formation.

That'll be the Aurora spyplane thats been spotted a few times. They say it's got a revolutionary propulsion system off UFO's

[RojanUK]

In reply to BR's posting about Roswell: I do very much believe the Roswell story and the consequent cover-up. I DO NOT believe that rubbish film of the alien autopsy... that a load of codswallop...

[Black Rat]

That'll be the Aurora spyplane thats been spotted a few times. They say it's got a revolutionary propulsion system off UFO's

This one.... perhaps if it looks like this I presume...

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[Prop Idol]

Apparently so BR. Wait for the MiB's now..............

[Black Rat]

Apparently so BR. Wait for the MiB's now..............

You do realise we will probably have the CIA, FBI and MI5 including Mulder and Scully all over this site as of next week now

[Prop Idol]

You do realise we will probably have the CIA, FBI and MI5 including Mulder and Scully all over this site as of next week now 

Cue strains of Catatonia.......................

[MaW]

Well if the black triangles are Auroras, they're not very good at spying because they've been moving really slowly and quite a few people have seen them. The general consensus I was aware of was that they were something else.

[Detritus]

I think there is life out there.Mock me if you will,but why should we have the monopoly?

What I do take with a pinch of salt is the sightings that are reported in the press and contain the lines " after enjoying a night out drinking with friends...."

But yes, I really do think there is something in this..

[Godfather]

Well if the black triangles are Auroras, they're not very good at spying because they've been moving really slowly and quite a few people have seen them. The general consensus I was aware of was that they were something else.

Sure, but if you have the ability to travel hundreds of thousands if not millions of miles to visit earth, you either want to be seen or you dont, and if you dont you would surely have the ability to be less visible, or if your craft really is a black triangle how about visiting at night?

Heres a thought, talking about us being watched to see how it pans out, maybe we are like a massive game of 'The Sims'!

[RojanUK]

Heres a thought, talking about us being watched to see how it pans out, maybe we are like a massive game of 'The Sims'!

We'd look silly walking around with a whopping big green diamond shape over our heads... what on earth would they think of us when they visited? :grin:

[MaW]

Aaah but the big green diamond is useful - it tells you who's being watched most closely.

[Godfather]

We'd look silly walking around with a whopping big green diamond shape over our heads... what on earth would they think of us when they visited?  :grin:

I meant they are playing the game! If so, the person controlling me has an evil sense of humour!

[Cam]

Wasn't there something about two Wiltshire cops chasing a UFO at high speed in the 1960s? I think this was in a book called 'UFO' and had quotes from one of the PCs.