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#1 Whopper MacBig

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 09:05 AM

Far-right parties have made major gains in former communist eastern Germany, early regional election results show.

The National Democratic Party (NPD) - which the government has tried to ban - surged to 9% in Saxony, well above the 5% needed to enter parliament there.

In neighbouring Brandenburg, the German People's Union (DVU) polled about 6%.

The results reflect anger at welfare cuts and disillusionment with persistently low living standards, says the BBC's Ray Furlong in Berlin.

The ex-communists of the Party of Democratic Socialism (PDS) also did well in Brandenburg, but the mainstream parties still won in both states holding votes.

Voters in eastern Germany appear to have expressed their concern at the high unemployment they blame on Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's Social Democrats.

"It's a great day for Germans who still want to be Germans" said Holger Apfel
NPD leader in Saxony

Our correspondent says the results are being seen widely as a no-confidence vote in Mr Schroeder, who brought in the welfare cuts with the blessing of the conservative Christian Democrats.

Fifteen years after reunification, east Germans still receive lower wages, benefits, and pensions than compatriots in the west of the country, and almost one in five is out of work.

In Dresden, the capital of Saxony, police clashed with demonstrators protesting against the far-right success.

The NPD's 9% in Saxony means that the party has gained seats in a German state assembly for the first time since 1968.

Mr Schroeder's economic reforms have angered some voters
"It's a great day for Germans who still want to be Germans," said Holger Apfel, the NPD's leading candidate in Saxony.

Despite having their majority eroded, Germany's two mainstream parties remained ahead in both states, the early results suggested.

The ruling Social Democrats scored around 32% in Brandenburg, while the conservative Christian Democrats won 41% of the total vote in Saxony, the results showed.

Average unemployment in east Germany has been stuck at about 20% - nearly twice the national average.

Some six million people were eligible to vote in Sunday's elections in Saxony and Brandenburg.

Germany's government has described the NPD as a latter-day version of Hitler's Nazi party and tried to ban it last year - a move rejected by the constitutional court.

The PDS scored their best election result ever, with 28% in Brandenburg.

However, they are unlikely to form a government in the state, which is ruled by a coalition of the Christian Democrats and Social Democrats.


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http://news.bbc.co.u...ope/3669974.stm


I can't make up my mind who is worse. The idiots that created the economic conditions for this lot to flourish, or the idiots that, in the full knoweledge of what has gone before, think that the PDS can somehow deliver a solution.

"It's a great day for Germans who still want to be Germans" said Holger Apfel. Now doesn't that sounds familiar - "Ein Reich Ein Volk" anyone?

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 09:26 AM

Tsk tsk, this isn't related to UK Policing News! :whistle:


I had always thought that Nazi type parties were banned in Germany :-/

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 09:28 AM

Tsk tsk, this isn't related to UK Policing News! :whistle:

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I know - it just seemed a bit weighty for the Locker Room.

No doubt some Mod will be along shortly to sort it out. :grin:

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 01:00 PM

I saw this on the news last night,I thought the party colours were a bit 'familiar'

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 01:02 PM

Were people marching funny and growing silly little moustaches?

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 01:06 PM

Give it time....

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Posted 20 September 2004 - 01:08 PM

Can't someone move this to General Discussion so that there can be a circular and heated debate about it?

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Posted 18 October 2004 - 09:16 AM

Basically, "Nazi - like" parties are, or will be, banned in Germany. now, how do you define a "Nazi - like party"? According to German law any party, organization or group that does not observe the German constitution and a democratic society will be banned. This decision, however, has to be taken by the highest courts. Otherwise we would be no different from the ones we are trying to protect ourselves from!

Far right and / or left parties are constantly being monitored be the German services, and there has been quite a few arrests, but you cannot judge the whole party just because of the actions of a few individuals.

There has been similar cases before, where the so called "Republican Party" (headed by a former SS - officer) gained entry into a few state parliaments. In most cases the following elections threw them out.........

Obviously, due to (fairly) recent history, something like this is being watched much more closely when happening in Germany. Still, I would like to remind all of you that similar right - wing activity can be seen in most other european countries.
As far as I know Germany is the only country with a legislation which makes it possible to ban such groups and parties.......

EDIT: I'm not, in any way, personally offended by previous postings -
simply felt like trying to explain a little...... :whistle:

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Posted 23 October 2004 - 04:03 PM

right wing poitics thrive in times of uncertainty,when ordinary people feel their fears and concerns are not being listened to,never mind germany look closer to home.

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Posted 03 November 2004 - 11:59 AM

Tsk tsk, this isn't related to UK Policing News! :whistle:
I had always thought that Nazi type parties were banned in Germany :-/

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The NPD is still alive and kicking despite having support in the past from shadowry figures such as Gudrun Himmler (not sure if she is still alive would be about 75 now - SS chief's daughter)

I managed to find a picture of Gudrun Burwitz (Gudrun 'Puppi' Himmler) as well as the NPD she has been involved with organisations such as HIAG and Stille Hilfe.

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Posted 03 November 2004 - 01:14 PM

Yes, Germany's not the only country where the far right and other idiots, nutcases and associated worrying people are making gains. We'd just better not let it go too far this time!

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Posted 06 November 2004 - 11:50 AM

Yes, Germany's not the only country where the far right and other idiots, nutcases and associated worrying people are making gains. We'd just better not let it go too far this time!

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Agreed. The Communists are coming back to power gradually in Russia too.. :sad:

Having said that - this is democracy in action. ... and we all uphold the ideals of democracy, don't we...?

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Posted 06 November 2004 - 12:40 PM

Agreed. The Communists are coming back to power gradually in Russia too..  :sad:

Having said that - this is democracy in action. ... and we all uphold the ideals of democracy, don't we...?

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OK so there is this paranoia around the far right in Germany, they are just as active in Austria (go to the Austria/Italian border area and there are plenty who believe in that the Reich will rise again). Even in (former communist) eastern europe between 1945 - 1950 Brandenburg groups (Nazis style terrorists) were active, in fact there was a recorded incident in the Baltic States as late as 1978.

How do you define a Communist and a Nazis? one is a left wing socialist and the other a right wing socialist? Is all socialism evil (Arthur Scargill and the Socialist Labour Party (not to be confused with New Labour).

Whats the difference between say between the BNP, National Front, British Movement or Combat 18? Four separate organisations,

Combat 18 is a Neo Nazis wannabe Paramilitary group with two of the founders serving life for the murder of a third founder (there is also a story that MI5 was partly involved from the start in the setting up of this organisation so they could keep check on Ulster Loyalist gun running on the mainland),

The BNP, well we discussed their aims enough on this site (Racism through respectability and suits).

The National Front has also tried to change its image from skin heads to suits and the British Movement nothing more than a splinter group day dreaming of armed struggle.

Of course it should be remembered that we have had Facists in the UK since the 1930's (Moseley and his BUF) even in 1945 (as this picture which was taken near Dresden shows, there were those willing to support facism).

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