19 replies to this topic

[mike19]

As Specials aren't paid, what 'expenses' are paid for by Merseyside police?

Humberside police offer an allowance of £115 per month to specials:
Humberside

Mike.

[TheGovernor]

Mike,
in M/side we get paid according to how much we do. We all get £30 boot allowance per year (usually paid as a one off but sometimes spread out). Then you get travel expenses from your house to where you work from (usually averages about £4). Finally you get subsistance allowance (officially to pay for meals but you get it even if you don't eat).
less than 2 hours - nothing.
2 hours to 5 hours - £6.83
5 hours to 8 hours - £8 something
8 hours to 12 hours - £12 something
more than 12 hours - £20.85
I normally pick up about £150 to £200 per month.

Chris H

[PandaRenegade]

Mike,
in M/side we get paid according to how much we do. We all get £30 boot allowance per year (usually paid as a one off but sometimes spread out). Then you get travel expenses from your house to where you work from (usually averages about £4). Finally you get subsistance allowance (officially to pay for meals but you get it even if you don't eat).
less than 2 hours - nothing.
2 hours to 5 hours - £6.83
5 hours to 8 hours - £8 something
8 hours to 12 hours - £12 something
more than 12 hours - £20.85
I normally pick up about £150 to £200 per month.

Chris H

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Welcome back Mr H. Thought you'd fell off the face of the Earth. Hope you're keeping well.

[mike19]

Thanks Chris H.

Thats good to know. As a struggling student, every penny counts.

Mike.

[mishkaa]

As of today (at least I hadnt been informed previously) we get a mileage allowance for to and from station and that is it.
We used to get subsistance but that was stopped over a year ago and we used to get the cost of travelling by public transport (which was just over £4) but no more. ooh and I cant remember the last time we got boot allowance.
....do I sound bitter

[PandaRenegade]

Mishkaa, where abouts are you based? I ain't heard nothing about this milleage allowance. AFAIA, only Special Insps and above can claim milleage allowance.

[mishkaa]

Based Northumbria...and mileage is all I get...nothing more

[Kevinl03]

AFAIA, only Special Insps and above can claim milleage allowance.

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I was told Special Ch. Insps and above.

So only the Chief Oficer, Spec. Superintendent and the one Spec. Chief Insp. in each area can claim mileage allowance.

[mishkaa]

So only the Chief Oficer, Spec. Superintendent and the one Spec. Chief Insp. in each area can claim mileage allowance.
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Without that we would get nothing!!!

[Kevinl03]

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So only the Chief Oficer, Spec. Superintendent and the one Spec. Chief Insp. in each area can claim mileage allowance.
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Without that we would get nothing!!!
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Ahhhh but surely the satisfaction of fighting crime and protection the public is reward enough?

[mishkaa]

Absolutely...if we were issued the equipment to do it!

[phill1216]

In Hampshire we get Boot alowance but only after completion of 200 hours service(Yearly amount)

We also get mileage and public transport paid for.

Is news that we might introduce paying specials a bounty as is under a pilot in 4 forces. We shall see!!

[Jimmy]

Just wondering, as Chris said you get travel expenses which average to around £4, how are these calculated, is it the amount that it costs on public transport, or is it done by the amount of miles you travel?

Jimmy:)

[studentrich]

Down in the land of Liverpool South we get travel expenses. We get the cost that it would be on public transport, which is nice ! Everytime we do anything at the station we can claim, usually under 'admin'! All my training and a few shifts came to nearly 200 quid- some compensation for having no radios :sad: !

Rich

[david Burgess-Joyce]

As of today (at least I hadnt been informed previously) we get a mileage allowance for to and from station and that is it.
We used to get subsistance but that was stopped over a year ago and we used to get the cost of travelling by public transport (which was just over £4) but no more. ooh and I cant remember the last time we got boot allowance.
....do I sound bitter

Just for your information (as I'm not in a position to say this officially) but the Home Office and ACPO issued a statement saying that specials should still receive the PNB expenses payments at the rate they were last set (2002) until further notice. They are currently working on new, SC-specific expenses payments structure to be issued soon.

[cop4this1]

On the subject of expenses, I am amazed so many officers are so interested about expenses, when i joined the force i didn't have a clue that specials got any expenses i joined because it was something i wanted to do, and i know other officers who did the same.

I have noticed in the past few years that new special recruits seem to harp on about how little money they get from the specials and how it should be more. I wonder how many officers would stay in the job if they abolished the expenses?

I think we should all remember the meaning of the word VOLUNTARY:
FREE,gratuitous,optional,spontaneous,UNPAID,willing. ( The Oxford popular Thesaurus )

So lets forget the monetary gain guys and remember the reason why we joined.

Thanks Chris H.

Thats good to know.  As a struggling student, every penny counts.

Mike.

[Another Constable]

Quite - expenses are to cover your out of pocket expenses to ensure that being a volunteer costs you nothing.

However, it's not a form of payment. You shouldn't be expecting to make a profit (though undoubtedly many will).

I know for a fact when I was on a 10 hour shift, I would get about £10 for subsistance and yet get 50% off in the Burger King making a full meal something like £2 - therefore £8 profit.

Unless and until any "bounty" payments arrive for Merseyside officers, volunteer and don't lose out. That's the best you should hope for.

Edited by Another Inspector, 29 October 2004 - 04:14 PM.

[datxman]

Well we are the poor relations up here at Cleveland. What we get is:
£30 per year boot allowance
and if we do 30 mins to 24 hours we get a grand rate of £2.00 per shift not per hour.
And we get nothing else on top of that.

[Another Constable]

Well we are the poor relations up here at Cleveland. What we get is:
£30 per year boot allowance
and if we do 30 mins to 24 hours we get a grand rate of £2.00 per shift not per hour.
And we get nothing else on top of that.

David Burgess-Joyce who posted above is the Deputy force commandant for Merseyside, and is actively involved with the Home Office on many levels and does tireless work for Specials.

Although he never said "officially" - the Home Office and ACPO state that specials should get expenses as per the 2002 rates. Those are the rates that "TheInspector" also posted in this thread.

If you aren't getting that then there is something seriously wrong - especially when the Specials funding is separate from the main police funding and is provided by the Home Office. You really need to take this up with someone in authority in your force - by which I mean the Chief Officer or something like that.

It may even be worth sending an email to the enquiries address for the Home Office which will give them a little "heads up" on the situation.

[datxman]

David Burgess-Joyce who posted above is the Deputy force commandant for Merseyside, and is actively involved with the Home Office on many levels and does tireless work for Specials.

Although he never said "officially" - the Home Office and ACPO state that specials should get expenses as per the 2002 rates. Those are the rates that "TheInspector" also posted in this thread.

If you aren't getting that then there is something seriously wrong - especially when the Specials funding is separate from the main police funding and is provided by the Home Office. You really need to take this up with someone in authority in your force - by which I mean the Chief Officer or something like that.

It may even be worth sending an email to the enquiries address for the Home Office which will give them a little "heads up" on the situation.

I will do and I will let you know the outcome. I have also emailed David Blunket a while ago and Jack straw to see why specials do not get some sort of pay, David Blunket was quite helpful but Jack straw turned around and said that the specials are not like the T.A. or the fire brigade as regards they could be called out at anytime and we carnt but then I asked the question that was the army cadets not a voluntary organisation and did the instructors not get paid for their attendance? To which I got no reply (ummmm I wonder why)