Guys,
I've recently attested and completed all the NCALT packages and been issued all my uniform. However, at my station you have to do 60 hours of coached patrol before being able to do anything else. I completely understand this as its one to one tuition designed to increase confidence and allow new MSCs to have some idea of what they're doing. The only problem is that all but one of my MSC managers have been deployed to the Olympics and now coached patrols have pretty much stopped unit September.
I was hoping to do as much as possible over the summer but now cannot do anything as I have to do coach patrol (which arn't running) and there are no PO 3 courses running so I can't do aid.
Is there anything I can do?
Many thanks.
P.S. I'm not having a moan about not being able to do anything as I completely understand the system put in place. However, it is a bit frustrating being sat at home doing nothing when I've put a lot of effort into getting this far.
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, Jul 25 2012 01:16 PM
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 01:19 PM
All the Probies on my borough are doing total
Victim care call backs. Something good to start with and gives you an idea of how the metropolitan police are delivering a service and what the public think of us,
Victim care call backs. Something good to start with and gives you an idea of how the metropolitan police are delivering a service and what the public think of us,
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 03:52 PM
Could you not go out with your Special Sargeant or a similar one instead? Or ask them for advice?
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 04:09 PM
That's funny, we've had people who aren't IPS, level 3 or on SOROC who are doing olympic aid.
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 05:18 PM
You don't need to be IPS or even on SOROC for olympic aid on my borough.
I think l3po is asked for though.
I think l3po is asked for though.
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 05:23 PM
Only requirement for Olympic Aid is indeed Level 3 PO.
We have 4 Street Duty trainers for one probie at the moment
All MSC who started this week have been inducted and are out, so going good.
We have 4 Street Duty trainers for one probie at the moment
All MSC who started this week have been inducted and are out, so going good.
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 05:54 PM
Only requirement for Olympic Aid is indeed Level 3 PO.
We have 4 Street Duty trainers for one probie at the moment
Newham ruthlessly efficient as usual by the sound of it Ben!
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 08:17 PM
What borough are you on? im in the same boat as you as i have to do coached patrol (although no unifrom so cant start anyway) but have had an e-mail on msconline stating there are shifts avaliable for people who havent started these yet.
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 09:34 PM
Oh I feel for you.... I would suggest getting in touch with the one remaining MSC manager, and asking is there anything you can do to help... even admin in the office. Also, make sure you've done all your NCALTS and you've got access to all the systems you need (PM me if you need a list)... then at least you won't be delayed any longer when you do get going.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 07:00 AM
We have 4 Street Duty trainers for one probie at the moment
You only have one special with under two years service, i.e MSC probation time?
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 09:14 PM
You only have one special with under two years service, i.e MSC probation time?
Reg mate, regs.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 09:39 PM
I'm in exactly the same position after attesting this month. I was told straight out there wouldn't be any coached patrol shifts available until after the Olympics. Frustrating as I'm all raring to go, but at least I don't have to rush through the NCALTs I suppose. Would've been really handy to be able to do PO3 during this time, but nothing available.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 10:14 PM
1st shift for me is Sat night on the clubbing run
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 08:23 AM
I just don't understand why I can't see in the back of a response car or go out with experienced officers and just watch what they do. Better than sitting at home doing nothing!
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:41 AM
Because you will be a burden on those officers and its not fair to expect a busy response team to babysit you.I just don't understand why I can't see in the back of a response car or go out with experienced officers and just watch what they do. Better than sitting at home doing nothing!
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:53 AM
Because you will be a burden on those officers and its not fair to expect a busy response team to babysit you.
Don't be ridiculous. It's how people learn best.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:10 AM
No you need a very basic level of competence before going out and learing through experience, which is why boroughs ask for these things to be done prior to going out. By your logic why don't we completely do away with hendon and just have people learning completely on the jobDon't be ridiculous. It's how people learn best.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:27 AM
I'm pretty sure training is designed to give you the very basic level of confidence and then learn through experience. You've got to start somewhere! I can't see how watching what experience offers do is a burden on anyone. If something kicks of I'd be more than happy to step in an assist, but a part from that they wouldn't have to do any coaching or tuition.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:31 AM
Don't be ridiculous. It's how people learn best.
For the new person yes. However, given teams are stretched so thin at the moment due to the aid requirement, we don't have time to take out someone who doesn't even know how to use a radio and baby sit them. Jackson, it's a stress for the officers to have to deal with the situation in front of them as well as look after you. You're unlikely to have the faintest idea of "when you should step in to assist" or not. I know I didn't when I first started and I don't know of anyone else who did.
Jackson, rubbish though it is, if they don't have the resources it will likely be a month or two before you can get out. As others have suggested, do all the NCALTS, familiarise yourself with Met Bats, have a look at some of your local PPOs, sit in the station with a radio switched on so you get used to the call signs and radio-speak, take a look at a few CRIS reports and Merlins and CRIMINTs as they'll be the main systems you use. Make sure you're on all the right email lists for police officers and MSC. Have a look on PNLD for the more common offences you are likely to deal with.
Sure, none of it is the exciting stuff of actual Policing that you signed up for but it wil help you once things quieten down and you are actually able to get out there. Coached patrols are there for a reason, that reason being that there were numerous issues of new MSC simply being dumped out there with no idea what they were doing. They are an essential part of your introduction and sitting in the back of an IRV is not a comparison.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:07 PM
No Experienced officer on response will take a brand new officer out because of the things they have to deal with
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:26 PM
I just don't understand why I can't see in the back of a response car or go out with experienced officers and just watch what they do. Better than sitting at home doing nothing!
Sounds good in theory, however the issue will be when the full time reg is dealing with an incident, then another MOP comes to you asking for advice, you then have to go to the reg who would have to break off from what he/she's doing.
As said above, spend this time getting all your admin in order, such as getting logons to all the systems. Not having access to the systems can be frustrating for regs if you go out on response with them.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 02:09 PM
Yeah I completely understand what you're saying and I'm not having a moan at the system. I'm just frustrated getting this far and thinking I'd be able to work through the summer to then find out I've got to wait. Nevermind!! Cheers for the input.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 04:32 PM
Sounds good in theory, however the issue will be when the full time reg is dealing with an incident, then another MOP comes to you asking for advice, you then have to go to the reg who would have to break off from what he/she's doing.
As said above, spend this time getting all your admin in order, such as getting logons to all the systems. Not having access to the systems can be frustrating for regs if you go out on response with them.
SECONDED.
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Posted 28 July 2012 - 05:57 PM
Jackson there are still things you can do on the borough in the station which could assist you and give others a hand if your management team are supportive.
Shadowing in the BIU would give you a chance to see how the intel and briefings are done, assisting with the jailers and learning about booking property (one of the most boring but important jobs), spending the day with a Socco (as they are single crewed) in plain clothes learning about getting fingerprints and points of entry etc.
These are not "Out on patrol" things but are just as important. I have done these for my officers for years when they are waiting for their uniform and they have always found it helpful.
Shadowing in the BIU would give you a chance to see how the intel and briefings are done, assisting with the jailers and learning about booking property (one of the most boring but important jobs), spending the day with a Socco (as they are single crewed) in plain clothes learning about getting fingerprints and points of entry etc.
These are not "Out on patrol" things but are just as important. I have done these for my officers for years when they are waiting for their uniform and they have always found it helpful.
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