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[Jeebs]

Me: Control **Collar No.**
Cont. - Go ahead **Collar No.**
Me: Persons check etc

Putting up for jobs is usually something like this:

Cont. - All **area** PRs XYZ job on XYZ street **Grade 1/2/3** anyone free?
Me: **Shout in collar no.**
Cont. - **Passes job text**

If your traffic, dogs, metro, firearms, you just prefix a phonetic to your collar number, pretty simple really! The only people who use the ops channel are Ops Support, if their channel is busy they usually switch over for checks etc.

I've left out the 2 digit phonetic callsign of control as its probs in the realms of an OpSec breach.

[SC Ben]

Mine is normally: (xray is our controls call sign)

"B2B5 Xray"
"Go ahead B5"
"B2B5, Vehicle check with Insurance please on Name Street"
"B5 go ahead with details"
"B5 Thank you, warrant number on A123 BCD, White Ford"
"B2B5, That shows as a White Ford Transit Van, No reports & Insurance held to Mr Smith"
"B5 Thank you"

etc

Edited by SC Ben, 29 May 2012 - 07:31 PM.

[Fry]

Not in real world off Airwave radio comms you don't, and it rarely happens even on Airwave from the regs who know how to use a two way radio and use it a lot more than Specials do. "Received" is almost exclusive to Airwave and as I say it is usually unnecessary. Listen to transmission from aircraft, ships and radio amateurs and you just will not hear that word.

Different forces do things differently, but I'm a comms officer, and there is nearly always some sort of acknowledgement that the message has been received, usually being "Received" from controllers, regulars and specials, and if officers don't hear the acknowledgement then they often call up to confirm whether we received their last message. Also as a backside covering measure, I need to know that the information I have broadcast has been heard and received by the officer.

[Lucas North]

This is how it used to be for me:

[SC Ben]

^^^^^^ LOL

[rosco]

This is how it used to be for me:

Can happen to anyone, not just PCSOs . Control should have replied : "PC 789 standby" in your diagram.

However, on the flip side, it can be equally trying when you are in the cold/rain, trying to do a vehicle check on a dodgy looking motor that you've stopped with a figdity/aggressive driver next to you, and being kept waiting while the result of an ASB call to noisy kids playing in a public park is being slowly related.

[Lucas North]

Can happen to anyone, not just PCSOs . Control should have replied : "PC 789 standby" in your diagram.

However, on the flip side, it can be equally trying when you are in the cold/rain, trying to do a vehicle check on a dodgy looking motor that you've stopped with a figdity/aggressive driver next to you, and being kept waiting while the result of an ASB call to noisy kids playing in a public park is being slowly related.

Oh yeah I know... it just seemed to happen to me more than anyone else.

Yeah I hated that too... but... State 14 FTW!

[Top Cat]

It depends really on what I am doing at the time, if its general patrol and we get a shout I'll call up with callsign and location so if its going to be a 999 job the control room can see how close we are compared to other available resources.

Otherwise I just call up with the callsign I'm on - simple as that.

I dislike these people as it is so easy for them to clip off the front of their call sign if the PTT button is pressed a fraction of a second late, or simpl to miss it if it is called out out of the blue...It has to be "control from callsign" (replace "control" with your force callsign...) this way you alert the radio op to the fact you are calling so he has time to catch your callsign if he is in on another channel too; being shouted at across the room; being spoken to by supervisor etc...

[Alex_101]

feel free to make some more, Lucas North.

[Chewie]

It's an oft-mentioned comment that training on the radio only covers what buttons to press, not the actual way to talk - you end up havnig to pick that up operationally.

I find that we always use, on Big Air, the <destination> from <source> method - makes it a lot easier to pick up who's being called.

When I used to do the radio training for our force Specials, we always made sure to use the correct terminology and radio procedures in the classroom and during the practical scenario sessions outside.

Of course, once you become operational the classroom way of speaking goes out of the window, but at least we could say they'd been taught correctly!

As for the <destination> from <source> bit, that's the one non-standard thing we used to teach - just in case the beginning of the transmission is clipped, the control room still know who's calling.

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[monster munch]

As soon as the word Over was mentioned, this was the first thing that sprung to my mind!! I'm so glad someone else thinks on the same wavelengths as I do!

Over

[rosco]

As for the <destination> from <source> bit, that's the one non-standard thing we used to teach - just in case the beginning of the transmission is clipped, the control room still know who's calling.

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Some officers say the destination twice to get around initial clipping problem, i.e. <destination> <destination> from <source>.

[TCambs]

Some officers say the destination twice to get around initial clipping problem, i.e. <destination> <destination> from <source>.

That's how we're officially meant to do it in BTP. It also gives the 'destination' a second chance to go 'oh rubbish that's me!' and start listening! I will always say the destination twice if I'm calling up an officer direct rather than going through control (we don't go through control for a talk-through).

[Burnie]

Listen to transmission from aircraft, ships and radio amateurs and you just will not hear that word.

We had a rather funny crossover of airwave and aircraft speak the other day at work..

P1 - "Ground, Police One"
Gnd - "Police One, Ground, pass your message"
P1 - "Holding at <location> permission to cross to <location>"
Gnd - "Confirm you want to cross <location>"
P1 - "Yes, Yes"
Gnd - "Approved, Approved"

Well I found it funny anyway.

[TroyTempest]

I locate the radio on my kit, move it if necessary towards my gob and press the transmit button. Or these days

MP MP receiving CALLSIGN over

The big boy channels have a habit of improving your radio procedure.

[IanW]

The big boy channels have a habit of improving your radio procedure.

Oh indeed!

[Burnie]

Showoffs....

Though saying that some of the work I'm doing at the moment has forced me to use those 'big boy channels' as you put it - Though first time I did it someone had to 'educate' me in how to call up the 'shared' talkgroups properly as "Force desk" apparently wasn't right (I guessed as "North Desk", "South Desk" and "City Desk" was the way we used to designate the other unshared talkgroups before our recent changes)

[Sam Vimes]

Our control room is referred to as our two-letter Force identifier on the air, such as 'AB'.... So it'd be;

"AB from CI01"
"CI01 go ahead..."

[ococircusboy]

I locate the radio on my kit, move it if necessary towards my gob and press the transmit button. Or these days

MP MP receiving CALLSIGN over

The big boy channels have a habit of improving your radio procedure.

AND the controllers in MP are all of a standard so you know what you are getting.
Favourite radio message to send:

MP MP active message AB21N, vehicle failing to stop.

[WolfJC]

i say my pin number and Letter for my division so for example 12345 Zulu (example only)

[Lucas North]

feel free to make some more, Lucas North.

As you wish...

[AlexTheKnightUK]

More! More!

[SC Ben]

My sides hurt

[Dave SYP]

SUPERB!!! More please Lucas?

[Alex_101]

Lucas you genius. more thanks.