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#1 DukeDan

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 08:25 PM

Scotland Yard is investigating allegations that detectives working for its anti-corruption unit have been paid thousands of pounds by a firm of private investigators.

A parliamentary inquiry was told today that invoices, also seen by the Guardian, purport to show how a firm of private investigators made payments in return for information about the Metropolitan police investigation into James Ibori, a notorious Nigerian fraudster.
On Tuesday, the Commons home affairs select committee was told by a lawyer involved in the case that invoices showed about £20,000 of potential payments to police officers in what amounted to an undetected case of "apparent corruption right at the heart of Scotland Yard".

In recent weeks, as the Guardian investigated the allegations, the Met has sought to discourage the paper from publishing details about the case. But , after MPs heard the evidence, the Met dropped its previous insistence that there was "evidence that casts doubt on the credibility" of the allegations.

A police source with knowledge of the investigation, which has been ongoing since October, said developments over the last 24 hours had now led police to take the allegations more seriously.


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#2 Lucas North

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 08:35 PM

I've been saying for years that the Ghost Squad are corrupt...

Sure, PSD and the rest of them are there to make sure Officers aren't doing naughty things... but who's watching them? :new_eyebrow: It's about time someone investigated THEM for a change.

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#3 Radman

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 08:41 PM

Is there not any part of the Met that isnt tainted in one way or the other? Everything they touch seems to turn to muck recently.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 08:53 PM

But guys and girls......This doesn't happen. It's more fiction than fact and does not happen.

So what? £20 k bung and some sort of inquiry / trial. End result will be no succesful prosecutions.

Cost of doing business. Not saying I agree (quite the opposite) but moral outrage won't change an MG3 or an endorsed indictment, IMHO.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 08:59 PM

Who watches the Watchmen?

#6 crimefactory

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:06 PM

Authors!!! :clapping:

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:23 PM

I love that in the article itself they have a "police source" revealing information into an ongoing investigation. The Guardian seem to love doing this, even getting officers to check on custody systems to find information on cops who arrested into the News of the World investigation. Just because they aren't paying those officers doesn't make them not abetting leaking information.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:35 PM

Oh dear. The GDN is not my favourite paper but the term "police source" can and often is a euphemism for the corporate message being passed to journalists as an "off record brief".

All papers use this. I know because I've seen it officially and done it unofficially.

And the cops arrested in the NOTW mess? Well, the GDN already had one of the Weeting bods as a source from around 2007 or so and the other information they get....well who knows?

What I will say is the main leak from Weeting was subject to a massive, personally intrusive crime and later spoke out about what he saw as being wrong. And noooooo, it ain't me.

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 07:49 AM

Are you suggesting that some police forums replace the 'Like This' button with one that says 'Leak This'?

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 01:18 PM

Two policemen arrested today on charges as described in the allegations in the OP.

Edited by ActivistApp, 23 May 2012 - 01:19 PM.


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Posted 23 May 2012 - 01:21 PM

Shades of Operation Countryman again!

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 01:23 PM

There are over 30,000 PCs in the the MPS and another 5000 plus MSC - the report names 3 officers. Which by reckoning means 99.9992% of the MPS have nothing to do with this. And the 19 year old in the overturned SAXO that my team saved yesterday whose Mum just bought the team Krispy Kreme's didn't seem to be holding her nose.

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 01:30 PM

If any of these allegations are proven then I hope they have the book thrown at them. I wouldn't expect any officer to get away with this sort of thing, let alone those that supposedly work in professional standards.

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 01:33 PM

rumours of a third arrest - a serving Met detective.

Edited by ActivistApp, 23 May 2012 - 01:35 PM.


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Posted 23 May 2012 - 01:42 PM

There are over 30,000 PCs in the the MPS and another 5000 plus MSC - the report names 3 officers. Which by reckoning means 99.9992% of the MPS have nothing to do with this. And the 19 year old in the overturned SAXO that my team saved yesterday whose Mum just bought the team Krispy Kreme's didn't seem to be holding her nose.


Yes but it seems like they are finding 3-5 each week, thats when it starts adding up to a significant number.

Yes the 'innocent' FAR outweigh the suspected but this is in an organisation that is supposed to be whiter than white with extra white on top and in this situation EVERY man counts.

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 01:46 PM

There are over 30,000 PCs in the the MPS and another 5000 plus MSC - the report names 3 officers. Which by reckoning means 99.9992% of the MPS have nothing to do with this. And the 19 year old in the overturned SAXO that my team saved yesterday whose Mum just bought the team Krispy Kreme's didn't seem to be holding her nose.


No-one is knocking the bobbies on the ground but I think the past year has shown the Met up in a big way - seems as if there was a fair amount of corruption within its ranks...

Not a good thing.

#17 DukeDan

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 02:35 PM

A detective, two former and officers and another person have been arrested in relation to this case.

Edited by DukeDan, 23 May 2012 - 02:42 PM.


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Posted 24 May 2012 - 09:40 AM

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MPs ask Met police commander to clarify evidence on private investigators

Commander Peter Spindler will be asked why he did not tell Commons committee about investigation into alleged payments

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A Metropolitan police commander will be asked clarify evidence he gave to parliament about his knowledge of police officers being paid by private investigators for information, the Guardian has learned.

Commander Peter Spindler runs the Met department that since October last year has been investigating allegations that police officers were paid £20,000 by private investigators working for James Ibori, a notorious Nigerian fraudster.

His department, the Directorate of Professional Standards (DPS), arrested three former Scotland Yard police officers and a serving detective on Wednesday as part of the ongoing investigation into the bribery claims.

The arrests came 24 hours after the Commons home affairs select committee heard detailed allegations about the case, which was described by a lawyer as an undetected case of "apparent corruption right at the heart of Scotland Yard".

The committee chair, Keith Vaz MP, said he would be writing to Spindler "concerning the evidence he presented to the committee in February". The request is understood to be a reference to comments the commander made to MPs in evidence on 7 February, when he told the committee he had not seen evidence of police officers being paid by private investigators.

Asked directly by Vaz if he had "seen evidence of police officers receiving payments for information" from private investigators, Spindler replied: "I have not, in my experience."

He added: "But it would not surprise me. What I was going to say was that the private investigators are described as an increasing threat to law enforcement in their activities as corrupters."

Police said Spindler had taken Vaz's question to mean proven evidence.

However, MPs are likely to want to ask Spindler why he made no mention of a case – which his detectives had spent four months investigating – involving allegations that private investigators paid police tens of thousands of pounds.

Invoices and other documents appearing to support the allegations that private investigators paid bribes for confidential information about the Ibori investigation were posted anonymously to the Met in August last year. Spindler's department began investigating the allegations three months later, in October.

Spindler is understood to have taken over as head of the DPS around September and in recent weeks is known to have taken a keen interest in the Ibori case. His detectives are understood to have had an "open mind" about the authenticity of the documents for several months.

Vaz said on Wednesday: "I and the committee were shocked by the serious allegations concerning payments to police that were raised in the home affairs select committee [on Tuesday].

"The arrest of three former police officers now working for Risc Management and a serving Metropolitan police officer in connection to bribery is a serious matter."

He added: "The committee has had a longstanding interest in the relationship between the police and private investigators, particularly the revolving door between the professions. We will be writing to all those named in the evidence session and to Commander Spindler from the Met's Directorate of Professional Standards concerning the evidence he presented to the committee in February."

In his evidence to parliament in February, Spindler also said he "believed" private investigators may be involved in corrupting police officers but gave no further details. "We have intelligence, but proving it is a different matter. From a professional standards perspective, we have been investigating private investigation companies since the late 1990s."

He also told the inquiry: "What I will say is that we have more investigations and more evidence about inappropriate relationships with journalists than we do with private investigators. So there is more intelligence about leaks to the media than information leakage to private investigators."

The commander went on to say that national law enforcement bodies had recently identified private investigators as one of four types of potential "corrupters" of police officers. He told the committee that contact between private investigators and police was known to occur, but admitted there was no system for recording meetings.

"We believe it [contact] exists … there are a significant number of officers who in retirement will work in private security, in the private investigation industry," he said. "Their serving colleagues will be looking for future employment and, towards the end of their service, may well increase their contact as they look at what their future opportunities are."

Pressed by the Labour MP David Winnick over whether that was "ethical", Spindler replied: "It depends on the nature of the contact. The private security and private investigator industry has a legitimate purpose in our society. They take a lot of work away from the police service, working for the corporate sector in due diligence and fraud investigations. These are all matters that will greatly assist the police service if they are dealt with by companies."



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Posted 24 May 2012 - 10:16 AM

Breaking news: Police watchdog reveals over 8,000 allegations of police corruption between 2008 and 2011.

Met alone received over 1,500 allegations in the 3 year period.

Edited by ActivistApp, 24 May 2012 - 10:16 AM.


#20 Burnie

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 10:27 AM

Dont forget though that the VAST majority of allegations are found to be malicious and the majority of what remains are found to be, shall we say, 'not as reported'

I'm not saying that there aren't people who have done what they are alleged to have done but only a TINY percentage of those allegations will end up in discipline action of some form or another

#21 pmtts

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 10:40 AM

Vaz said on Wednesday: "I and the committee were shocked by the serious allegations concerning payments to police that were raised in the home affairs select committee


I think the HASC are full of hot air half the time. Full of recommendations that hardly get enforced!

#22 DGP

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 12:05 PM

I've been saying for years that the Ghost Squad are corrupt...

Sure, PSD and the rest of them are there to make sure Officers aren't doing naughty things... but who's watching them? :new_eyebrow: It's about time someone investigated THEM for a change.

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The Ghost Squad aren't corrupt. They're just politically motivated and their primary concern is safeguarding the image of the MET. That leads to the occassional disproportionate scapegoating of cannon fodder and the odd blind eye being turned as officers resign on full pensions.




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Posted 24 May 2012 - 12:11 PM

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Interesting but perhaps obvious move for a man who's previous command which was in charge of Covert investigation and surveillance

Edited by WhatAmIDoing, 24 May 2012 - 12:14 PM.


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Posted 24 May 2012 - 12:38 PM

It basically seems there was a misunderstanding as to the scope of the question. And Cmd Spindler's interpretation is probably the sensible one, because surely the HASC wouldn't expect to be told of ongoing investigations into police corruption that aren't public knowledge? Certainly not in open session.

There's probably "evidence" out there of Met officers helping UFOs abduct people for anal probing. Doesn't mean it is worth the DPS commander announcing it to the HASC.

Allegations of corruption, even if proved to the point of some form of disciplinary action can also range across a wide variety of actions. None of it is right but remember it was nothing new that cops were giving journalists information, every major (and most minor) news organisations have done it. What was shocking in the News International case was the amount of money being paid to certain officers.

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 12:47 PM

The Ghost Squad aren't corrupt. They're just politically motivated and their primary concern is safeguarding the image of the MET. That leads to the occassional disproportionate scapegoating of cannon fodder and the odd blind eye being turned as officers resign on full pensions.


Yeah... CORRUPT.

Police officers, regardless of rank or departmental position, are meant to be neutral and detached from politics. They should not be swayed in their decisions.

The Ghost Squad's primary objective should be the protection of the public (i.e. protecting them from corrupt police officers & staff) not protecting themselves / the organisation from "political damage." These people are *effectively* more powerful than Chief Officers, due to the things they have access to and it's worrying how much freedom they have, considering everyone else is scrutinised so much.

I am sick to death of rank & file being crucified for small things, yet ghosts get away with blue murder. It's disgusting.




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