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#1 Radman

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:07 PM

Abu Qatada appeal: May defends removal delay

The home secretary has defended her handling of attempts to deport radical cleric Abu Qatada, but said he is likely to remain "for many months".
Theresa May said Abu Qatada's lawyers had no right to appeal to the European Court of Human Rights because the deadline had passed.
But an official at the Secretariat of the Council of Europe said the appeal was within the deadline.
The PM said he was confident Abu Qatada would be removed from the UK.
But shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper said "chaos has turned into farce".
In a statement to the Commons, Theresa May said the three-month deadline for Abu Qatada's appeal had passed before the application was submitted.
Mrs May said: "The government is clear that Abu Qatada has no right to refer the case to the Grand Chamber of the European Court of Human Rights, since the three-month deadline to do so lapsed at midnight on Monday."
She confirmed she had written to the ECHR to argue Abu Qatada's application should be rejected and the case heard by the UK's Special Immigration Appeals Commission (Siac) instead.
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However Mrs May conceded that the deportation process and any potential Siac appeal were now on hold.
"Despite the progress we have made, the process of deporting Qatada is likely to take many months," she told MPs.
She also said Abu Qatada had chosen to use delaying tactics, which he had been doing since 2001.
In the Commons, Mrs Cooper criticised Mrs May for "partying with X Factor judges" as Qatada's lawyers launched their appeal.
"When the home secretary is accused of not knowing what day of the week it is, chaos and confusion have turned into farce," she said.
"But this farce has serious consequences: in additional delays; in a greater risk Abu Qatada will be out on bail; in a risk he will sue the government for recommencing deportation proceedings while injunction 39 was still in place."
An official at the Secretariat of the Council of Europe sent a message to the House of Commons Library regarding the appeal which said: "I would say that [the appeal was lodged] just in time, but of course the Court may decide otherwise."
Prime Minister David Cameron said: "[Abu Qatada] is a danger to our country and we want to remove him from our country. However long it takes and however many difficulties there are, we will get him out.
"I sometimes wish I could put him on a plane and take him to Jordan myself. But government has to act within the law. That is what we'll do. We will get this done."
Ministers believe the three-month deadline for appealing against the ECHR ruling passed on Monday night and, on Tuesday, Mrs May told MPs she had received fresh guarantees from Jordan that Abu Qatada would face a fair trial and that he could now be deported.
But on Wednesday the court said it had received a request for an appeal at 22:00 BST on Tuesday, which it said was before the deadline.
The deportation process cannot begin until a panel of judges has decided whether the case should go to the Grand Chamber of the court.
The ECHR originally blocked Abu Qatada's deportation to Jordan on 17 January.
The judges ruled that, while they were satisfied that the preacher would not face ill-treatment in Jordan, the UK could not deport him without assurances from Jordan that evidence gained through torture would not be used against him.
Abu Qatada's lawyers are appealing against the part of the court's ruling that stated it was satisfied that he would not face torture if he was deported.
An ECHR spokeswoman said the panel always considered the timing of the referral request and decided whether it was before or after the deadline.
Justice Secretary Ken Clarke dismissed the row over timings as "hysterical angst" and said he was not sure why everyone was "wildly excited" about a "procedural wrangle".
"I'm not sure why it's regarded as such a big deal," he told BBC Breakfast.
"We know perfectly well legal proceedings are still going to take a few months, they're bound to do so."
Meanwhile justice ministers from 47 countries have gathered in Brighton to discuss reforms to the ECHR - including whether it should hear fewer appeals.
The UK has criticised some of its judgements - including blocking the deportation of Abu Qatada - and wants to limit the court's powers.


So he's going to be here for a little longer then - looks like even though the deadline for an appeal has passed the ECHR will still consider his applications.

Great...

The shadow Home Secretary has a much... Different take on the situation.

Lets just get rid of him and get him deported as soon as possible.

#2 callsign-kid

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:17 PM

You know as much as I find him particularly odious I'd rather that he be here. Unless the Jordanians put him to death. I say that because it makes it much easier for MI5 to keep tabs on him :p .

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:19 PM

You know as much as I find him particularly odious I'd rather that he be here. Unless the Jordanians put him to death. I say that because it makes it much easier for MI5 to keep tabs on him :p .


Well if he needs to stand trial for a crime comitted abroad then why prevent justice? He should have his trial and serve his time or whatever punishment is deemed necessary by Jordan.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:22 PM

He's had his appeal rejected.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out Mr Qatada. :new_bye1:

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 09:40 PM

Quite honestly I'd rather we just put him on a plane and take the consequences - what are the ECHR going to do? Put our Government in jail? A few million £ fine? I'd take the fine - cheaper than what's gone on so far.

What a farce.

#6 pmtts

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 09:53 PM

Good riddance you piece of terrorist loving scum. I hope you enjoy your pokey little Jordanian Cell :aok:

#7 DukeDan

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 12:08 AM

I wouldn't celebrate just yet. We have no idea what sentence he'll get in Jordon or if he'll get one at all.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 06:57 AM

I wouldn't celebrate just yet. We have no idea what sentence he'll get in Jordon or if he'll get one at all.

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Who cares if he gets 2 months or 20 years. The fact is HMG will officially declare him Persona Non Grata on his departure from this country.

He can go and sponge welfare benefits elsewhere!

#9 DukeDan

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 02:26 PM

Who cares if he gets 2 months or 20 years.


Well anyone who believes what the Met are saying should care. According to them, he's a very dangerous man and has significant connections to al Qaeda.

I presume you don't care because you don't believe he poses a threat? Because if you did, you'd surely want him to be locked up for a long time, right?

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:37 PM

So it goes on...

Abu Qatada has won his latest appeal against deportation to Jordan in a blow to Home Secretary Theresa May.

The Special Immigration Appeals Commission (Siac) upheld the radical cleric's appeal after his lawyers claimed he would not get a fair trial.

It is the latest twist in a battle that has now lasted a decade, with ministers fighting to put Qatada on a plane ultimately thwarted each time.

The Home Office immediately announced its intention to appeal the decision and Mrs May will make a statement to the Commons later.

The spokesman said: "The Government strongly disagrees with this ruling. We have obtained assurances not just in relation to the treatment of Qatada himself, but about the quality of the legal processes that would be followed throughout his trial.

"Indeed, today's ruling found that 'the Jordanian judiciary, like their executive counterparts, are determined to ensure that the appellant will receive, and be seen to receive, a fair retrial. We will therefore seek leave to appeal."

Qatada, once described by a judge as Osama bin Laden's right-hand man in Europe, was first allowed to stay in Britain in 1994.
He was convicted of terror charges in Jordan in his absence.

The latest ruling is despite the Home Secretary securing assurances from Jordan that no evidence gained through torture would be used against him.

Professor Beverley Milton-Edwards, an expert on Jordan's political situation, told Siac last month that a fair trial was unlikely despite international pressure.

"I don't believe there is any credible evidence that the state security court has engaged in a significant amount of reform to have any confidence of him having a fair trial," she said.

The cleric, who is said to have wide and high-level support among extremists, featured in hate sermons found on videos in the flat of one of the September 11 bombers.

In December 2001, Qatada became one of Britain's most wanted men after going on the run from his home in Acton, west London.

In October 2002, he was arrested by police in a council house in south London and detained in Belmarsh high-security jail.


http://news.sky.com/...nst-extradition

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:41 PM

I lose track, obviously this one hadn't actually been deported yet.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:43 PM

Sounds like he is about to be released on bail.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 08:41 PM

Qatada is being released on bail tomorrow.

Considering his previous form for doing a bunk, this has not gone well has it Theresa?

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 08:47 PM

This is ridiculous. Is this going to be another Abu Hamza job?

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 08:51 PM

And only what, 2 months since Abu Hamza left and the Home Sec promised to stop these long drawn out farces from ocurring??

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 08:59 PM

And only what, 2 months since Abu Hamza left and the Home Sec promised to stop these long drawn out farces from ocurring??


We all know she's a woman who likes to keep her word.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:03 PM

Thats my point

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:19 PM

What a shambles. Well can't these judges now be held for harbouring terrorists? That seems to be what they are doing. Other countries don't fanny about looking after the interests of terrorists who want to harm their citizens.

This guy should (ideally) be deported, or failing that given a whole life tariff or better still the death penalty. These terrorists don't hesitate to kill others so why should we show them any leniency? What a farce.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:22 PM

The Special (it's an utter joke) Immigration Appeals Commission is just that, an utter joke!

Maybe the sign on their building should read

The Special Immigration Appeals Commission.
Here to help Terry Taliban & Johnny al--Qaeda

#20 Dave SYP

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 08:39 AM

I don't suppose the Jordanians have considered kidnapping him have they? :new_shhh: :whistle:

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 08:58 AM

It's difficult though, if you say getting a fair trial is important, there isn't much difference between handing him over for torture or using evidence obtained under torture and that appears to be the sticking point. You either care about a fair trial or you don't and seeing as how we don't torture people because evidence obtained using it is unreliable then surely that ought to apply.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 11:36 AM

He's out.

Apparently it is going to cost £100,000 per week for surveillance.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 11:40 AM

He's out.

Apparently it is going to cost £100,000 per week for surveillance.


Really? I don't believe that.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 11:48 AM

Really? I don't believe that.


I do when you think that this will be multi-person teams operating in watches covering 24hrs, probably SB or SiS plus off-site supervision, with rent costs and bills for any surveillance houses/Obs Posts, food expenses for the watch teams, wages, fuel + insurance for vehicles, equipment + maintenance costs, command post staff again on watches, costs of running the command room etc. etc.

As a rough figure, HR costs (wages, insurance, taxes, NI etc) work out per person as roughly double their contracted salary so if you are being paid £30k pa then the cost to your company to employ you is roughly £60k pa.

Edited by Burnie, 13 November 2012 - 11:51 AM.


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Posted 13 November 2012 - 11:55 AM

And only what, 2 months since Abu Hamza left and the Home Sec promised to stop these long drawn out farces from ocurring??


What exactly is the Home Secretary supposed to do? Subvert the legal system when the results don't suit the mood of the day? I want him deported as much as anybody else but it isn't worth ignoring due process over.




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