Hi.
I just wanted to know what is the procedure/process of moving up ranks in the MSC. Such as moving from SC to S/sgt and S/Sgt to S/Insp. And then moving onto Chief Officer roles?
How does it work. I know that for regs you apply and take your OSPRE Exam to become sgt.
Thanks
Jon
Moving up the ranks - MSC
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The Constable
, Apr 19 2012 11:48 AM
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#2
Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:52 AM
Get your SOROC book completed within 6 weeks and get an automatic promotion to S/Sgt. 
#3
Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:57 AM
The process is that you apply for a given role, for S/Sgts the application has to be endorsed by your line management and you have to like any police application where you have to demonstrate competencies. You then become Temporary in the role until you complete additional training and then fill out a workbook to demonstrate you're competent. For S/Insp the process is similar but in between application and being passed to become temporary you are boarded. I am unsure if there is a workbook associated with it.
This is a hot topic, so please confine yourselves to the process, there are two other topics to discuss how appropriate the process is.
This is a hot topic, so please confine yourselves to the process, there are two other topics to discuss how appropriate the process is.
#4
Posted 19 April 2012 - 12:21 PM
The process is that you apply for a given role, for S/Sgts the application has to be endorsed by your line management and you have to like any police application where you have to demonstrate competencies. You then become Temporary in the role until you complete additional training and then fill out a workbook to demonstrate you're competent. For S/Insp the process is similar but in between application and being passed to become temporary you are boarded. I am unsure if there is a workbook associated with it.
This is a hot topic, so please confine yourselves to the process, there are two other topics to discuss how appropriate the process is.
Thanks WAID. Roughly how long would it take for one to become a S/Sgt from an SC on average. For example?
And what the heck is SOROC?
Too much jargon!!!! *cries*
#5
Posted 19 April 2012 - 12:26 PM
The truth is, it varies and if you drop into the MSC Supervisors thread you'll see the massively polarizing debate this causes. Some people can do this in well under a year, in many places 18 months ish onwards is a common time period at least amongst the ones I know. All this has to be tempered with the number of officers that need supervising and the short average length of service of a Special.
Student Officer Record of Competence, a booklet with a list of stuff to do which officers need to complete to gain Independent Patrol Status (IPS) currently the only measure of a patrol officers ability.
I'm desperately trying to confine myself to just the facts.
Student Officer Record of Competence, a booklet with a list of stuff to do which officers need to complete to gain Independent Patrol Status (IPS) currently the only measure of a patrol officers ability.
I'm desperately trying to confine myself to just the facts.
#6
Posted 19 April 2012 - 12:30 PM
The truth is, it varies and if you drop into the MSC Supervisors thread you'll see the massively polarizing debate this causes. Some people can do this in well under a year, in many places 18 months ish onwards is a common time period at least amongst the ones I know. All this has to be tempered with the number of officers that need supervising and the short average length of service of a Special.
Student Officer Record of Competence, a booklet with a list of stuff to do which officers need to complete to gain Independent Patrol Status (IPS) currently the only measure of a patrol officers ability.
I'm desperately trying to confine myself to just the facts.
Thanks WAID
Always helpful and so informative
I think I saw the MSC Supervisors thread. Seems like a very controversial topic in the MSC.
#7
Posted 19 April 2012 - 12:39 PM
It is controversial and you can see why. The only real take away is that (many) people care a lot about doing what they can and driving the organisation forward and because MSC supervision has historically and still does do much for the direction of the Special Constabulary (regardless of if people think that's good or bad) here, how it works has a big effect on something people give masses of time and effort to.
Dear god, I hope this is still a neutral enough point of view
Dear god, I hope this is still a neutral enough point of view
#8
Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:40 PM
Get your SOROC book completed within 6 weeks and get an automatic promotion to S/Sgt.
Put your claws away! Lol
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 08:52 PM
Bear in mind the highest you will hit is Sp. Inspector.
There is no 'right' timing. I've seen SCs become SS at 19 within 4 months (WAY too fast in my opinion). And I've seen a Sp Insp at age 22 after about 3 years service.
So long as you are confident, do your job right, and have the backing of your MSC management, shouldn't be an issue. Get your IPS first, but feel confident and knowledgable first.
Remember, with power comes responsibility!
There is no 'right' timing. I've seen SCs become SS at 19 within 4 months (WAY too fast in my opinion). And I've seen a Sp Insp at age 22 after about 3 years service.
So long as you are confident, do your job right, and have the backing of your MSC management, shouldn't be an issue. Get your IPS first, but feel confident and knowledgable first.
Remember, with power comes responsibility!
#10
Posted 20 April 2012 - 01:58 AM
Bear in mind the highest you will hit is Sp. Inspector.
There is no 'right' timing. I've seen SCs become SS at 19 within 4 months (WAY too fast in my opinion). And I've seen a Sp Insp at age 22 after about 3 years service.
So long as you are confident, do your job right, and have the backing of your MSC management, shouldn't be an issue. Get your IPS first, but feel confident and knowledgable first.
Remember, with power comes responsibility!
The ages of the officers in question are completely irrelevant in my opinion
#11
Posted 20 April 2012 - 03:27 AM
Maybe it's just a reference to speed of the process in comparison to regulars? You can't become a regular skipper at that age nor an inspector.
#12
Posted 20 April 2012 - 08:26 AM
It is controversial and you can see why. The only real take away is that (many) people care a lot about doing what they can and driving the organisation forward and because MSC supervision has historically and still does do much for the direction of the Special Constabulary (regardless of if people think that's good or bad) here, how it works has a big effect on something people give masses of time and effort to.
Dear god, I hope this is still a neutral enough point of view
Ahh thanks WAID
#13
Posted 20 April 2012 - 08:39 AM
You would never see a 22 year old inspector in the regular service, the youngest i have seen was 28.
The ages of the officers in question are completely irrelevant in my opinion
#14
Posted 20 April 2012 - 09:16 AM
Jonathan - hopefully your original question has been answered by WAID's post, if not I suggest you drop him a line to expand on it further.
I'm closing this now as it's already drifted off "the process" and there's only so many threads on MSC supervisors my poor little head can cope with at one time.
I'm closing this now as it's already drifted off "the process" and there's only so many threads on MSC supervisors my poor little head can cope with at one time.
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