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Poll: Would You Join Now? (38 member(s) have cast votes)

How many years in?

  1. 0-2 (16 votes [42.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 42.11%

  2. 2-4 (8 votes [21.05%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.05%

  3. 4-7 (6 votes [15.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.79%

  4. 7-10 (1 votes [2.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.63%

  5. 10+ (7 votes [18.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.42%

Age when you joined?

  1. 18-20 (9 votes [23.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.68%

  2. 20-25 (15 votes [39.47%])

    Percentage of vote: 39.47%

  3. 25-30 (9 votes [23.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.68%

  4. 30-35 (3 votes [7.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.89%

  5. 35+ (2 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

Would you join today's Police as a career?

  1. Yes (18 votes [47.37%])

    Percentage of vote: 47.37%

  2. No (20 votes [52.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 52.63%

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#26 MacGregor

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 02:15 PM

Having considered it further, I think there is still a possibility I will apply to be a regular officer in a couple of years time. However, I will always have a backup plan - something that if it turns out to be a crock of the proverbial, I can make ends meet. Still, the prospect of joining is a long way off and so much could change in that time. Uncertainty and confusion reigns supreme currently!

As stated, the gap between SC to PC is massive, or so I'm told by persons who have crossed the canyon.

The sad thing is Windsor WILL be implemented, either in full or virtually everything. And it will be done despite all protestations.


Ever considered applying in Scotland?

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 04:13 PM

Ever considered applying in Scotland?


No, purely because I'm too lazy to start with a different legal system from scratch - from what I read, Scottish policing sounds just as good, if not slightly better than E&W. However I'd be very surprised if Winsor doesn't get implemented there too in a significant way.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 05:12 PM

I'd be prepared to wager that it won't be implemented any time soon anyway.

Our money is being saved by moving to a single national force, and there doesn't appear to be a particular desire to cut even further. The Justice Secretary, has already kiboshed Winsor the first time round and the SNP have been vocal about their Police stance so u-turning it will be a surprise reversal of their policies to date.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 05:24 PM

I'd be prepared to wager that it won't be implemented any time soon anyway.

Our money is being saved by moving to a single national force, and there doesn't appear to be a particular desire to cut even further. The Justice Secretary, has already kiboshed Winsor the first time round and the SNP have been vocal about their Police stance so u-turning it will be a surprise reversal of their policies to date.


Not to mention that there are a few thousand police officers/staff in the Scottish forces and there is an independence vote coming up soon......who would want to risk the votes by implementing similar proposals as Winsor

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 05:27 PM

I must admit I took my line on Scotland and Winsor on a well informed article I read recently, if I can trace it I'll let you know.

Edited by fruitandveg, 25 March 2012 - 05:29 PM.


#31 Sam Vimes

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 06:34 PM

Not to mention that there are a few thousand police officers/staff in the Scottish forces and there is an independence vote coming up soon......who would want to risk the votes by implementing similar proposals as Winsor


Life doesn't stop after the independence vote. If Westminster come up with a way to save a load of cash at the expense of the Police, Scotland will do the same. Don't fall into the trap of thinking Scotland care. It may not come in now, but i'd bet Winsor in some or all of it's guises will crop up over the next few years.

If Westminster get redundancy through as an example, why wouldn't Scotland want a piece of that money-saving action?

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 08:00 PM

Because maybe Scotland actually does care?

Who knows, nobody can predict the future. Perhaps the required money will be saved through the single force as intended and they won't need to? Scottish forces don't get the same amount of funding for Policing as E&W do anyway, per head of population, so perhaps in real terms there isnt as much to save? There's only 17000 ish of us anyway.

I've refrained from making too many posts about Winsor and my opinions on it because it won't affect me. By the time it'll come into force, I'll be long gone. And that was a decision made before Winsors reports. After making that decision, my new employers have announced that they're changing the payscales of my new job, and that those will apply to me. Potential loss of earnings to me over my 40+ year new career (yes 40+ years) - a cool £300k. Oh, and that's with redunancy for losing my medical (a lot more likely than losing a Police medical), and a non final salary pension. Am I annoyed? Yes. Can I do anything about it in real terms? No.That's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes, just gotta deal with it.

What I will say, is that for the skill and education levels required, the Police is still a good job, with lots of earning potential, over a comparibly short career to a final salary pension. If you don't like the changes, feel free to find an alternative. Something tells that most people won't, and in a few years when times are better, the job will be all rosy again.

If, despite objections, they do come - see what they're like before you throw the toys out of the pram. That's all I'm saying.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 08:04 PM

Nope - the Scottish government doesn't raise money it just spends it. So even the Tories north of the border aren't in tax cutting mode. They get X from Westminster and spend it.

There has already been a forced ~25% over a few years cut on Scottish policing, some of the forces were hit harder than others by it. I know Fife was in quite good shape and wasn't going to lay off any police staff.

If Windsor, or just the "good" bits, were to come in then it would possibly be on the basis of new officers, or those choosing to move across, only rather than trying to force stuff through. None of the parties really need to rock the boat that much with major reforms.

Finally the Scottish prison officers pay is rubbish compared to Englands, or certainly used to be, and there are several other discrepancies between similar jobs across the border.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 12:36 PM

Because maybe Scotland actually does care?

Who knows, nobody can predict the future. Perhaps the required money will be saved through the single force as intended and they won't need to? Scottish forces don't get the same amount of funding for Policing as E&W do anyway, per head of population, so perhaps in real terms there isnt as much to save? There's only 17000 ish of us anyway.

I've refrained from making too many posts about Winsor and my opinions on it because it won't affect me. By the time it'll come into force, I'll be long gone. And that was a decision made before Winsors reports. After making that decision, my new employers have announced that they're changing the payscales of my new job, and that those will apply to me. Potential loss of earnings to me over my 40+ year new career (yes 40+ years) - a cool £300k. Oh, and that's with redunancy for losing my medical (a lot more likely than losing a Police medical), and a non final salary pension. Am I annoyed? Yes. Can I do anything about it in real terms? No.That's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes, just gotta deal with it.

What I will say, is that for the skill and education levels required, the Police is still a good job, with lots of earning potential, over a comparibly short career to a final salary pension. If you don't like the changes, feel free to find an alternative. Something tells that most people won't, and in a few years when times are better, the job will be all rosy again.

If, despite objections, they do come - see what they're like before you throw the toys out of the pram. That's all I'm saying.

Because maybe Scotland actually does care?

Who knows, nobody can predict the future. Perhaps the required money will be saved through the single force as intended and they won't need to? Scottish forces don't get the same amount of funding for Policing as E&W do anyway, per head of population, so perhaps in real terms there isnt as much to save? There's only 17000 ish of us anyway.

I've refrained from making too many posts about Winsor and my opinions on it because it won't affect me. By the time it'll come into force, I'll be long gone. And that was a decision made before Winsors reports. After making that decision, my new employers have announced that they're changing the payscales of my new job, and that those will apply to me. Potential loss of earnings to me over my 40+ year new career (yes 40+ years) - a cool £300k. Oh, and that's with redunancy for losing my medical (a lot more likely than losing a Police medical), and a non final salary pension. Am I annoyed? Yes. Can I do anything about it in real terms? No.That's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes, just gotta deal with it.

What I will say, is that for the skill and education levels required, the Police is still a good job, with lots of earning potential, over a comparibly short career to a final salary pension. If you don't like the changes, feel free to find an alternative. Something tells that most people won't, and in a few years when times are better, the job will be all rosy again.

If, despite objections, they do come - see what they're like before you throw the toys out of the pram. That's all I'm saying.


I think there is truth in what you say there broadly speaking. The next few years are looking very unpredictable and it's not like the police hasn't been in this position before, what with Sheehy and all, as well as some stuff in Winsor being pretty uncontentious. Suppose all you can do is wait and see.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 10:48 PM

And I welcome your views IT-SC this after all is a discussion forum and am always happy to back up my points that I make.

I will be the first to admit that I too was very nieve as an SC, I thought the job would be all blue lights and fights but unfortunately it's not, I'm more of a social worker than a police officer really.

Please don't take my post as an attack on yours I wasn't referring to you that it was you or or post that was winding me up. I just get frustrated because I've seen both sides of the fence and now that I'm a PC and can look back at reflect on things how nieve I really was.

And it winds me up when I see posts from SC's the same views I know I would personally have and would post if I was still one, about carrying on as normal and filling in for the regs because I did desperately wantto do the job.

I wouldn't know any different because I didn't know what was happening from the regs point of view as far as I was concerned I would turn up, kit up, and head out, have fights, foot chases, make arrests, drive around on blues and have a bloody good time and if someone said to me of the regs went on strike would you continue my answer would of definetly been yes.

However now as a reg and now see excatly what goes on on the Monday morning early shifts and the Sunday night, night shifts my attitude and view has changed. As specials don't experience this and have a very blinkered view of policing ( as I did!) it annoys the regulars when reading some of the stuff in this thread.

I now await the flurry of replies this will get and wait for someone to tell me how wrong I am!



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