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[Woody]

POLICE were forced to shoot a dog with a Taser gun after it savaged a puppy and its owner as he tried to defend it.

Simon King, 37, was walking his year-old Rottweiler puppy near his home when what he believes was a Staffordshire bull terrier attacked them. As he desperately tried to prise his young dog from the animal's jaws, two police officers who happened to be passing shot it with a Taser gun to force it to let them go.




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http://www.thisisbri...tail/story.html

[AdamsMR]

Glad to see a swift response that stopped further potential injury!

Never seen a dog tasered before but have experienced one that had been PAVA sprayed. It didn't seem too chuffed.

[Stratos]

Job well done. No doubt some people will have a problem with this mind.

[Damsel]

One thing I will pick up on from the story, as the Bristol Evening Post are reporting it as if it's unusual is...

Then I heard a crack go off and the dog being Tasered."But even after it was shot the dog was little more than stunned.

Mr King said: "It let go of Stella and hit the floor, but then it just stood there panting like nothing had happened."

Which is exactly what it's designed to do. Stun, with no after effects.


Apart from that, I've got absolutely no problems with the officers actions, and I own a Staffie, though not one I ever take out in public without a lead. But only because she'd think that was a great game, and I'd have to spend the rest of the day chasing her around.

[Shikari]

Sounds like a job well done to me.

[Dale-Staffs]

Glad to see a swift response that stopped further potential injury!

Never seen a dog tasered before but have experienced one that had been PAVA sprayed. It didn't seem too chuffed.

Does PAVA work on dogs?

We were told CS does not so was just curious.

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[hopeless_place]

Good job!

I would not fancy wrestling the Staffordshire bull terrier, so taser I would say is the only option.

[candles]

Glad this has a positive outcome and congrats on a job well done!

The report doesn't say anything about any consequences for the dogs owner or the dog itself. As the dog has bitten the owner (according to the report), I assume that the DDA offence has been committed??

Does PAVA work on dogs?

Yes, mainly because PAVA uses a different substance based on Capsaicin which canines are susceptable to as well as humans

[Paradox]

Does PAVA work on dogs?

Yes, unofficially it does. Fire extinguishers work pretty well too.

[AdamsMR]

If all else fails there is always the old size 10, could result in a bite unless accurately aimed though.

[Fenix]

Sounds like the dog had a lucky escape... A dog on a rampage in public such as this ... I would say an ARV officer is justified in shooting it dead, so the dog is fortunate that a tasering is all it got!

[OSGEssexSC]

I'd have tasered the owner of the staffy afterwards. This has made me bloody angry...

[AdamsMR]

I'd have tasered the owner of the staffy afterwards. This has made me bloody angry...

Two taser officers - one for the dog and one for the owner? Sounds perfect!

[candles]

I'd have tasered the owner of the staffy afterwards. This has made me bloody angry...

Problem is, according to the report there were three males, I am guessing they didn't know which was the owner... Suppose they could have got them to stand close togther, hold hands and fire a barb into the two end chaps...?

Seriously though, I hope they follow up the story with information about the prosecution of the owner...

[Woody]

I'd have tasered the owner of the staffy afterwards. This has made me bloody angry...

Dont worry the puppy will become around 13 stone and get his own back

My sister had a staff, he was great with people but they are not very good with other dogs. That why I believe all dogs should be muzzled.

Edited by RoboCop, 13 March 2012 - 01:55 PM.

[djmh]

Glad to see a swift response that stopped further potential injury!

Never seen a dog tasered before but have experienced one that had been PAVA sprayed. It didn't seem too chuffed.

I wouldnt imagine PAVA would have much of an effect on dogs as they have undeveloped tear ducts and fur that protects them from the spray.

[Stratos]

all dogs should be muzzled.

Rubbish. A properly trained dog would never be an issue. Dogs are pack animals and so long as they understand that their owner is the pack leader they're almost completely obedient.

The problem is that a lot of owners are irresponsible and even responsible adults mostly don't know how to train their dog properly. It's one of the reasons you see small dogs that can't behave themselves. People see it as cute and just what small breeds are like but really it's down to poor training.

Muzzling every dog is a massive overreaction. If I own a well behaved dog I should be able to walk it in public without a muzzle.

[candles]

I wouldnt imagine PAVA would have much of an effect on dogs as they have undeveloped tear ducts and fur that protects them from the spray.

You are thinking of CS - PAVA is completely different. Basically it is pepper spray...

[Woody]

Rubbish. A properly trained dog would never be an issue. Dogs are pack animals and so long as they understand that their owner is the pack leader they're almost completely obedient.

The problem is that a lot of owners are irresponsible and even responsible adults mostly don't know how to train their dog properly. It's one of the reasons you see small dogs that can't behave themselves. People see it as cute and just what small breeds are like but really it's down to poor training.

Muzzling every dog is a massive overreaction. If I own a well behaved dog I should be able to walk it in public without a muzzle.

Its an animal, and can think for its self, I dont care if its trained, would you trust a police dog around kids? My uncle is a leading dog trainer for gun dogs and he has complete control over them but as he always states "never leave your kids alone with an dog" even if they are trained they can try to dominate your kids or who ever it is. Plus if you ave kids yourself and have had one of them bitten like my kids whilst playing in a field you would have a different opinion when you look at your daughters face and she has a scare on it.
Even the nicest dog can have a bad day just like us humans.

Its would stop all the reports of kids being attack just the same as if we started paying for our fuel before we were able to take it, simple really.

Edited by RoboCop, 13 March 2012 - 04:51 PM.

[callsign-kid]

TASER once again shown to be the fantastic tool that is is which is inexplicably denied to the vast majority of police officers.

[Stratos]

Its an animal, and can think for its self, I dont care if its trained, would you trust a police dog around kids? My uncle is a leading dog trainer for gun dogs and he has complete control over them but as he always states "never leave your kids alone with an dog" even if they are trained they can try to dominate your kids or who ever it is. Plus if you ave kids yourself and have had one of them bitten like my kids whilst playing in a field you would have a different opinion when you look at your daughters face and she has a scare on it.

No, I wouldn't leave a child alone with any dog. But I'd be quite happy for a child to play with an unmuzzled well-trained dog if I was supervising them. You are quite right that dogs can be unpredictable, even good ones, but muzzling all dogs is a step too far. Would you make it illegal to make unnecessary car journeys because it would reduce accidents by a tiny amount?

Even the nicest dog can have a bad day just like us humans.

Indeed. The big problem though is the utter scum who raise and train dogs specifically to be vicious. These are humans who have been raised badly, badly raising animals. But just as humans who have had good upbringings can sometimes do bad things, so can animals. But I really don't see why if I owned a dog and had trained it properly, I should have to muzzle it just because Jonny scumbag from the Scumton estate stood by and did nothing while his pride and joy vicious weaponised pitbull terrier decided it wanted to attack a child. No well-trained dog should ever attack any creature, human or dog, without provocation, and if they end up in a situation where dogs are fighting then the owners should be able (and willing) to control them. If not then it's the fault of the owner, not the dog, for failing to control and properly raise the thing.

Its would stop all the reports of kids being attack just the same as if we started paying for our fuel before we were able to take it, simple really.

It would, but again the main problem are these irresponsible owners with dogs that have ended up just as bad as they are. The scum won't muzzle their dogs so the only people who would be effected are the innocent people with nice dogs. Plus, I don't know about you, but when I see a muzzled dog I tend to assume it's aggressive and steer clear of it. Seeing muzzled dogs everywhere would be frankly scary.

Paying for fuel before you can take it is a good idea. Muzzling dogs is not; it's an ill-thought out nanny-state policy and an infringement on people's freedom and the "But if it saves just one child!" argument really doesn't wash with me.

[BazzaBill]

My uncle is a leading dog trainer for gun dogs and he has complete control over them but as he always states "never leave your kids alone with an dog" even if they are trained they can try to dominate your kids or who ever it is

Millions of people in this country leave their kids alone with the family dog without problems. I wouldn't leave a baby, toddler or small child with a dog. But I see no problem leaving older kids alone in the room with a suitable dog - labrador, retreiver, spaniel etc. My 3 nephews are real handfuls. It's their elderly labrador I feel sorry for.

To be honest it's not strange dogs that I worry about. It's strange people - and there's lots of them about.

[pottheed]

Should my little jack russell, which is no bigger than my foot be muzzled??

[Rocket]

Should my little jack russell, which is no bigger than my foot be muzzled??

Vicious beasts they are, I remember the local pub used to have one of them when I was a lad. It was so vicious that the landlord had it's teeth removed but it didn't stop it trying to gum my leg to death when I was doing my paper round

As far as the story goes, would the poor puppy that was in the jaws of the Staffy got zapped too? Bless the little mite.

[Woody]

Should my little jack russell, which is no bigger than my foot be muzzled??

Yes, because one left a scare on one of my twins hand and face. That answer your question?

Should my little jack russell, which is no bigger than my foot be muzzled??

Because its small means nothing.