Just a quick FYI for all my fellow PS friends, my best mate from my old work is a S/Insp for West Mids and he has just been offered a PC job. All I can tell you so go hunt for internal info and so on.
Good luck.
PC Recruitment FYI
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, Mar 09 2012 10:37 PM
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Posted 10 March 2012 - 05:28 AM
I doubt they go round offering PC jobs without people applying for them first... so the chances are if he has been offered a position then he had already passed all stages of the recruitment process, therefore it would be pointless for those who have not completed this process to look for info. 
Just my 2p's worth...
Also they have divisional officers in West Mids and not S/Insp
Just my 2p's worth...Also they have divisional officers in West Mids and not S/Insp
#5
Posted 10 March 2012 - 11:06 AM
I doubt they go round offering PC jobs without people applying for them first... so the chances are if he has been offered a position then he had already passed all stages of the recruitment process, therefore it would be pointless for those who have not completed this process to look for info.
Also they have divisional officers in West Mids and not S/Insp
Yeah, I am taking this with a pinch of salt. The S/Insp bit did for me.
#6
Posted 10 March 2012 - 11:47 AM
As taken from the West Mids Website - the app form is for internal applicant only.
Covert Internet Investigator
Investigation of serious crime in the Counter Terrorism arena requires the involvement of specialists in many fields.
An opportunity has arisen for a Police Constable in the Covert Internet Investigations arena. Covert Internet investigations is a rapidly developing area in policing, and in particular, within the CT environment. WMCTU is at the forefront of developments nationally. The successful applicant will be enthusiastic, innovative and must be in a position to be fully functioning as a CII in time for the Olympics.
Any applicant must be in possession of a Covert Internet Investigators qualification. Any preferred candidate must be willing to go through DV (Development Vetting).
For further information about the roles please email Sgt Nicola Teasdale teasdale_1158@west-midlands.pnn.police.uk who will be able to answer any queries.
To accompany your application you are also required to download and complete the Vetting forms which can be found at the link below. Your application will not be accepted if these forms are not included.
www.west-midlands.police.uk
Covert Internet Investigator
Investigation of serious crime in the Counter Terrorism arena requires the involvement of specialists in many fields.
An opportunity has arisen for a Police Constable in the Covert Internet Investigations arena. Covert Internet investigations is a rapidly developing area in policing, and in particular, within the CT environment. WMCTU is at the forefront of developments nationally. The successful applicant will be enthusiastic, innovative and must be in a position to be fully functioning as a CII in time for the Olympics.
Any applicant must be in possession of a Covert Internet Investigators qualification. Any preferred candidate must be willing to go through DV (Development Vetting).
For further information about the roles please email Sgt Nicola Teasdale teasdale_1158@west-midlands.pnn.police.uk who will be able to answer any queries.
To accompany your application you are also required to download and complete the Vetting forms which can be found at the link below. Your application will not be accepted if these forms are not included.
www.west-midlands.police.uk
#7
Posted 10 March 2012 - 07:41 PM
I doubt they go round offering PC jobs without people applying for them first... so the chances are if he has been offered a position then he had already passed all stages of the recruitment process, therefore it would be pointless for those who have not completed this process to look for info.
Also they have divisional officers in West Mids and not S/Insp
I would not be posting this if I didn't know it was true, so I very well know they do not offer jobs it was a choice of words so to put you at ease he was offered to apply.
Secondly does it really matter if they are DO or S/Insp? I think not as we all know a DO is eq to special inspector
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#8
Posted 11 March 2012 - 08:26 PM
I would not be posting this if I didn't know it was true, so I very well know they do not offer jobs it was a choice of words so to put you at ease he was offered to apply.
Secondly does it really matter if they are DO or S/Insp? I think not as we all know a DO is eq to special inspector
So is he in an intake of people or joining on his own? Has he been waiting long do you know?
#9
Posted 12 March 2012 - 10:47 PM
This is to change/changing/changed... Not sure what the timeframe is, or indeed if it has already happened, but WMP DOs are to be S/Insps...Also they have divisional officers in West Mids and not S/Insp
#10
Posted 14 March 2012 - 03:46 PM
This is to change/changing/changed... Not sure what the timeframe is, or indeed if it has already happened, but WMP DOs are to be S/Insps...
Change should be implemented very soon, they are in the stages of finalising the plans i believe!
#11
Posted 14 March 2012 - 04:38 PM
Depedning on who you talk to, it has been implemented or it is to be implemented... I think I'll wait until an announcement has been made over the intranet/email before assuming it has been actioned... I am guessing that regular officers will be wondering why this has happened, I know I am!!Change should be implemented very soon, they are in the stages of finalising the plans i believe!
#12
Posted 14 March 2012 - 04:57 PM
Depedning on who you talk to, it has been implemented or it is to be implemented... I think I'll wait until an announcement has been made over the intranet/email before assuming it has been actioned... I am guessing that regular officers will be wondering why this has happened, I know I am!!
NPIA National Guidelines, brings SC grades in line with the regular ones so there's a clear chain of command within the Special Constabulary.
Staffs did this back in 2009.
#13
Posted 14 March 2012 - 05:10 PM
I know of the guidelines brought in by the NPIA, however, as there are clear responsibilities in law with regards to the regular ranks, I personally believe that this could be potentially problematic - This will certainly confuse the regulars, public and some SCs with the actual roles and responsibilities of the management chain in the SC. The term "chain of command" itself already instils some confusion, as the all SC ranks still are only constable in the eyes of the law. So a lawful order/command given by an inspector or above cannot be done by S/Insp, S/CI, etc. Not only that, just the other day, a Special CI was referring to himself as a CI...NPIA National Guidelines, brings SC grades in line with the regular ones so there's a clear chain of command within the Special Constabulary.
Staffs did this back in 2009.
#14
Posted 14 March 2012 - 05:45 PM
I know of the guidelines brought in by the NPIA, however, as there are clear responsibilities in law with regards to the regular ranks, I personally believe that this could be potentially problematic - This will certainly confuse the regulars, public and some SCs with the actual roles and responsibilities of the management chain in the SC. The term "chain of command" itself already instils some confusion, as the all SC ranks still are only constable in the eyes of the law. So a lawful order/command given by an inspector or above cannot be done by S/Insp, S/CI, etc. Not only that, just the other day, a Special CI was referring to himself as a CI...
Oh no, I disagree with the regular ranks being used. 'Chain of Command' isn't exactly the best way of wording it but the idea is it gives a clear place to head for within the SC and it makes the grades above constable more attractive to career SCs.
They are just grades and upon 'promotion' you're informed it is just a grade, there are some Specials in other forces that want to be called Sir/Sarge/Guv/Boss by the regs and that grinds my goat.
It's more a framework to encourage more management within the Special Constabulary, not necessarily statutory management such as authorisation for searches but management skills that could be a useful toolset for Specials.
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 02:35 PM
Depedning on who you talk to, it has been implemented or it is to be implemented... I think I'll wait until an announcement has been made over the intranet/email before assuming it has been actioned... I am guessing that regular officers will be wondering why this has happened, I know I am!!
I think tis all about simplyfing the rank structure nationally, the MET use S/Sgt and S/Insp ranks i think its just about making everything a little simpler and not many of the regs get one an SO or DO is. Who knows why but someone has been kept in a job for it! It certainly is unlikely to include the shoulders markings of those ranks so it shouldnt confuse anyone to look at internally and on the street it make no difference really!
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 07:00 PM
I know of the guidelines brought in by the NPIA, however, as there are clear responsibilities in law with regards to the regular ranks, I personally believe that this could be potentially problematic - This will certainly confuse the regulars, public and some SCs with the actual roles and responsibilities of the management chain in the SC. The term "chain of command" itself already instils some confusion, as the all SC ranks still are only constable in the eyes of the law. So a lawful order/command given by an inspector or above cannot be done by S/Insp, S/CI, etc. Not only that, just the other day, a Special CI was referring to himself as a CI...
Perhaps you need to come and see me and I will remind you of the rank structure. It doesn't matter what they decide they call us there is and still will be a rank structure
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:14 PM
I think you missed my point - I don't disagree with the rank structure, but the naming of them. But thanks for the offerPerhaps you need to come and see me and I will remind you of the rank structure. It doesn't matter what they decide they call us there is and still will be a rank structure
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Posted 17 March 2012 - 03:29 PM
hasn't come in yet. although it will be. awaiting amendment to the part one.
the delay is due to the on going debate about ranks above specials inspector... there are people out there who think they should be chief inspectors... and the force disagree.
the uniform insignia won't change.
i personally don't agree with the change...
the delay is due to the on going debate about ranks above specials inspector... there are people out there who think they should be chief inspectors... and the force disagree.
the uniform insignia won't change.
i personally don't agree with the change...
#19
Posted 17 March 2012 - 07:12 PM
Can we keep this civi please :-) we are all part of the same police family so let act like it.
#20
Posted 17 March 2012 - 09:54 PM
I think the rank structure needs to change. It makes it a lot simpler for regs to understand if there is a Special Sgt or Insp. There also needs to be clarification of the role of S/Sgt. Some LPU's purely do admin stuff whilst on other LPU's the supervisor plays an active part in co-ordinating officers on the ground which is quite right considering regular Sgts already have their own teams to look after. I would also support the change of the insignia to something like 1 chevron for S/Sgt and one pip for S/Insp. Although theres not much wrong with the insignias we have now.
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 01:21 AM
DEFINITELY NOT. The S/Sgt. grade is PURELY an administrative one - not a statutory rank and they haven't worked as hard as regular counterparts have to earn that title.I think the rank structure needs to change. It makes it a lot simpler for regs to understand if there is a Special Sgt or Insp. There also needs to be clarification of the role of S/Sgt. Some LPU's purely do admin stuff whilst on other LPU's the supervisor plays an active part in co-ordinating officers on the ground which is quite right considering regular Sgts already have their own teams to look after. I would also support the change of the insignia to something like 1 chevron for S/Sgt and one pip for S/Insp. Although theres not much wrong with the insignias we have now.
The Special Constabulary has administrative grades. These are to say that a Special Sergeant is NOT the same, in ANY WAY (besides title) to the regular Sergeant rank.
These are not ranks, these are grades.
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 04:03 PM
DEFINITELY NOT. The S/Sgt. grade is PURELY an administrative one - not a statutory rank and they haven't worked as hard as regular counterparts have to earn that title.
The Special Constabulary has administrative grades. These are to say that a Special Sergeant is NOT the same, in ANY WAY (besides title) to the regular Sergeant rank.
These are not ranks, these are grades.
I'm sorry but that argument doesn't wash with me whatsoever. I agree that there is no extra statuatory powers that come with the "grade" however the "grade" is that of a supervisor.
It is clear that a Special Supervisor has no influence over regular officers and righlty so. However if you have ever been on an operational duty with a number of officers you would know there needs to be a clear leadership structure. These are for exactly the same reasons regulars need supervisors on the ground. Regular supervisors will have a set number of officers under them. This number is supposed to be the maximum amount of officers they should be able to deal with at any one time. So what happens if we add another five or six officers to that. It becomes unmanageable. Thats why we have our own supervision and thats why they make supervisory decisions on the ground.
I agree that a lot of supervisors haven't worked as hard as regular Sgts to get where they are but you could say that about some regular Sgts to other ones. At the end of the day there is a criteria within the SC that you need to match to become a supervisor. This is set to be clarified along with the role and if followed will further increase the proffesionalism and skill level of supervisors.
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 06:07 PM
OK as we seem to be talking about SC grades and it that wasn't topic that started this thread,
I hear by close it until anything else comes to light.
SC title thread http://www.policespe...c-grade-titles/
I hear by close it until anything else comes to light.
SC title thread http://www.policespe...c-grade-titles/
Edited by SEADOG, 18 March 2012 - 06:40 PM.
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