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[Ender]

We were expecting this, and now has started.
Extreme left wing parties and unions and pushing some antisystem collectives against police and authorities, after been defeated in general elections.
The video show National Police charges against "innocent" students who were claiming more funds for education, but in fact nobody of the 50 people arrested was a student, mostly of them have previous criminal records and belong to anarchist collectives.
Of course news media charges back against police and the Goverment ( Prime Minister supports police, thanks God) and show only the part they want.
What you see in this videos is the result of 4 days holding in line, receiving insults and throwed objects to officers, finally the "charge" order arrived and they do the job.
No polemic argue here please, i know the policing standards in UK are different, but as i said in other posts this is legal and politically approved by authorities...and as a personal view, protestors got what the were asking for.
Four days rioting is to much to be allowed.Probably you will see lot of videos like this in a nearly future. This happened in the City of Valencia.

PD: Sorry for my english.






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLKU2KA38vY&feature=related

Edited by Ender, 23 February 2012 - 11:01 PM.

[bensonby]

I just think it's hot enough in "riot gear" in the UK: what must it be like in Spain!

Tactically speaking - it all seems pretty similar to the UK to be honest. I couldn't quite see the reasons for the baton strikes in the second video when they came around the corner - but I couldn't see any of it that easily. Other than that, it all seems very reasonable and restrained - much like British Policing and what I would expect from another European democracy.

I wouldn't mind observing other European and American police forces in action in public order situations first hand to be honest.

[Peteee]

I wonder why the officer at 0:17 is having a one on one with that woman when there are multitudes of other Officers standing around. If more Officers had been involved, a lot less force could have been used.

[Shikari]

I've spent a few days in Valencia. Beautiful city. It was incredibly hot as well, for march, even in Spain.

I have to ask, in the second video, at around 1.10 there's a bloke who's struck with a baton, fair enough- he didn't get out of the way. But when the larger group of officers pass him and he gets struck more times- I don't get it, why hit him to make him leave, if he physically can't? Could someone clarify this for me, both in a E&W and a international/Spanish way please?

[Wcarnby]

international/Spanish way please?

The accountability of the police in Spain is nil, so they are more or less free to do whatever they want, and if you oppose it, you'll be marked as something on the lines of Ender's OP.

And by the way, Ender, maybe it's not so much to which groups they belong to, but what age they were. As far as I know they were under 16's belonging to a public school. Not the top priority for anarchist protesters.

[Hades]

I just think it's hot enough in "riot gear" in the UK: what must it be like in Spain!

Tactically speaking - it all seems pretty similar to the UK to be honest. I couldn't quite see the reasons for the baton strikes in the second video when they came around the corner - but I couldn't see any of it that easily. Other than that, it all seems very reasonable and restrained - much like British Policing and what I would expect from another European democracy.

I wouldn't mind observing other European and American police forces in action in public order situations first hand to be honest.

What I've seen of the States (from the wonderful Youtube) is quite dismal compared to what we do...

[Peteee]

I saw some of it first hand in the US, a lot of students were getting a bit rowdy after a basketball game and we all got tear gas fired at us, the ensuing stampede was really quite frightening as I was only trying to get back to my hotel room.

[Ender]

Just one of the arrested protestors was underage, the rest were over 18 and over 40. ANY of them belong to the shcool, ANY!. As i said mostly of them had criminal records amd perfom like professional protestors.
By the way the website primaveravalenciana.com was contracted 3 days before the incidents,suspicious? and it have been demostrated that some local politicians of Compromis ( comunist party) were at the school days before "talking" to the students.

And about their ages, do i have to remember you that in UK and the rest of Europe mostly of criminals are under 18?.
What were the ages of the rioters in London, Croydon etc? If you are old enough to figth the police you are old enough to jail.

In the other hand... i am totally disagree with your sentence " The accountability of the police in Spain is nil" ; we have more powers probably, but that doesnt means no accountability, i wish and then we would not have any criminals in ours streets.

Shikari about the guy who received a few blows he got it because he refuse to go, usually if you are chasing the crowd you don´t make arrests, unless they hit you or carry a dangerous objetc(stones, sticks ect).
It depends what the boss says, in this scenario it seems the squad just wanna disperse the big groups, remember this is a 12 hours intervention.
At the first video the boss in deployment is saying " well,watch out we are gonna make some collars rigth now".
Once you receive the order of wear the helmets you get ready to charge, ALWAYS after an infinite number of verbal warnings, so if you are on the street when they charge you are consider an unruly protestor.

[Shikari]

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Just one of the arrested protestors was underage, the rest were over 18 and over 40. ANY of them belong to the shcool, ANY!. As i said mostly of them had criminal records amd perfom like professional protestors.

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Shikari about the guy who received a few blows he got it because he refuse to go, usually if you are chasing the crowd you don´t make arrests, unless they hit you or carry a dangerous objetc(stones, sticks ect).
It depends what the boss says, in this scenario it seems the squad just wanna disperse the big groups, remember this is a 12 hours intervention.
At the first video the boss in deployment is saying " well,watch out we are gonna make some collars rigth now".
Once you receive the order of wear the helmets you get ready to charge, ALWAYS after an infinite number of verbal warnings, so if you are on the street when they charge you are consider an unruly protestor.

I think you mean none.

I don't disagree that he didn't get the warnings or opportunity to move, I'm sure he did, but i'm referring less to why he was hit initially and more as to why he was struck, presumably to encourage him to leave, when he clearly was unable without passing more officers who would continue to hit him. This is a generic question for all forces, when it's been seen time and again. Usually there's a good reason, but I don't think it's even been answered on here, or at least I haven't seen it.

[Million]

From what I know of the Spanish, which is a fair bit, they're morally and ethically very similar to us Brits, so I'm sure that the policing of these protests is all above board and proportional.

[HerrComm]

*EDIT*

Why do I now have minus 2 for editing something? I typed it, then reconsidered so edited it to delete it, I can't see how that warrants neg rep.

Edited by HerrComm, 01 March 2012 - 06:38 PM.

[Ender]

29 Feb Barcelona, second assault and we will see a lot more.



A Gallery of the incidents:

http://www.flickr.co...in/photostream/

[Shikari]

A few 'your mother is a prostitute' shouts in the videos I see. I'm guessing it's a popular and especially offensive Spanish insult? Or maybe my Spanish is really rusty.

Seems pretty reasonable to me.

[SBG]

The Spainish Police have a way of dealing that certianly is not the same here in the UK - what works in does not work in another

[Wcarnby]

A few 'your mother is a prostitute' shouts in the videos I see. I'm guessing it's a popular and especially offensive Spanish insult? Or maybe my Spanish is really rusty.

Seems pretty reasonable to me.

Not really offensive, IMO. Similar to SoB's, really. I wouldn't take offence, as I would not take offence at many insults directed my way.


By the way, it's catalan, not spanish