Just wondering what that actual figure is of people not sticking to their driving ban. I'm guessing it's quite high due to the risk of being caught is very slim. For somebody who drives being banned for say 2 years would be hard to follow because the temptation would be there. The police can't sit outside houses of everybody who is banned waiting for them to possibly drive. If a car is taxed and insured its not going to ping up anything. We have to wait for either a tip off or an eagle eyed officer to spot them behind the wheel. Any ideas how we can cut down on offenders?
How many people stick to their driving ban?
Started by
wanabe
, Feb 17 2012 08:26 PM
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#2
Posted 17 February 2012 - 08:44 PM
Just wondering what that actual figure is of people not sticking to their driving ban. I'm guessing it's quite high due to the risk of being caught is very slim. For somebody who drives being banned for say 2 years would be hard to follow because the temptation would be there. The police can't sit outside houses of everybody who is banned waiting for them to possibly drive. If a car is taxed and insured its not going to ping up anything. We have to wait for either a tip off or an eagle eyed officer to spot them behind the wheel. Any ideas how we can cut down on offenders?
The same could be said for Provisional drivers. There's no way of knowing who has a provisional licence, unless their driving is substandard. (Although that could be said for a huge number of full licence holders as well
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#3
Posted 17 February 2012 - 08:52 PM
The same could be said for Provisional drivers. There's no way of knowing who has a provisional licence, unless their driving is substandard. (Although that could be said for a huge number of full licence holders as well
Yes but a ban is suppose to be punishment for something they have already done such as drink driving.
#4
Posted 17 February 2012 - 08:59 PM
Yes but a ban is suppose to be punishment for something they have already done such as drink driving.
They do get locked up as well but short of locking them up and throwing away the key or implanting a chip that activates immobilisers there's not alot new we can do.
#5
Posted 18 February 2012 - 01:43 PM
They do get locked up as well but short of locking them up and throwing away the key or implanting a chip that activates immobilisers there's not alot new we can do.
The problem is there are very little consequences for people flouting driving bans - in the current system they just give a bigger ban to somebody who's already driving on a ban anyway!
#6
Posted 18 February 2012 - 03:16 PM
Vast numbers I imagine!
Our briefing system lists all new driving bans, the VRM of the vehicle and address, but after 2 or 3 weeks they drop off and it's a case of remembering them, or trawling through the system to find them. Some officers are really proactive with checking the driveways of banned people, but most don't really seem that bothered, unless it presents itself.
Our briefing system lists all new driving bans, the VRM of the vehicle and address, but after 2 or 3 weeks they drop off and it's a case of remembering them, or trawling through the system to find them. Some officers are really proactive with checking the driveways of banned people, but most don't really seem that bothered, unless it presents itself.
#7
Posted 18 February 2012 - 04:44 PM
The problem is there are very little consequences for people flouting driving bans - in the current system they just give a bigger ban to somebody who's already driving on a ban anyway!
Yes sadly and unfortunately, the punishments meted out by the justice system to banned drivers often appear to the general public as so derisory, they seem to defy belief. It can appear that often, the fines are nowhere big enough and the unpaid community work orders are no where near long enough. For heavens sakes, we live in a society that actually hands back driving licences after a judicially approved ban (and probably, hopefully a retest?), to people who have sometimes killed pedestrians and other motorists as a result of either drunk/drug driving, utter carelessness or through deliberate evasion/escape from law enforcement. 30 years or so ago, I knew a guy (now deceased) who killed a young child as a result of drink-driving. Guess what? It didn't stop him getting back behind the wheel once his ban had come to an end! How can it ever be justified to allow someone back behind the wheel of a motor vehicle when through their own selfish actions, they have taken someone's life? I suppose that's where we are though with certain 'civil liberties' and the fact that seemingly, driving appears to be seen as a 'right' and not a privilege.
I guess until all vehicles are fitted with a device that only allows a vehicle to be started through some form of biometric identification linked to a GPS monitoring system, or banned drivers are electronically tagged throughout the entire period of their ban, then some individuals will continue to stick two fingers up to the rest of society because - they can! I believe there is a suggestion that banning drivers who have committed offences so worthy of a ban is actually considered a punishment? For some I suspect it is merely considered a mild inconvenience.
#8
Posted 18 February 2012 - 05:02 PM
I do wonder what the point of driving bans is. Take for instance Steven McInulty who has his own thread running at the moment. He was given a 3 year ban for driving whilst he was disqualified anyway. He really doesn't care, even a life ban won't stop him getting behind the wheel and driving like a moron.
#9
Posted 18 February 2012 - 05:09 PM
I had three disqual drivers last year, of those two were also drunk driving when stopped and the third failed to provide. One was sent to prison for 6 weeks, over Xmas. I felt no sympathy when he told me it would have been his first Xmas with his 4 year old child. If i had my way, disqualified drivers who repeatedly flout a ban should be sent down for a minimum of six months, especially as it will be the only way to keep them off the road!
#10
Posted 17 March 2012 - 10:16 PM
One force I was in had an approach of tasking officers to go round to disqual addresses and record the index of cars on the drive and cars parked outside.
There was a rich picture on intelligence.
Those that do drive disqual are often the ones with multiple convictions and bans. It's quiet easy to segment those that are 'more likely' to offend.
There was a rich picture on intelligence.
Those that do drive disqual are often the ones with multiple convictions and bans. It's quiet easy to segment those that are 'more likely' to offend.
#11
Posted 18 March 2012 - 01:30 AM
This is something that has always baffled me too. Quite clearly the punishment for driving whilst disqualified needs to be something other than simply extending the ban. I can't believe that supposedly intelligent people in our CJS don't seem to realise that if someone has already defied the ban then simply imposing the same ban again is not going to equate to any sort of punishment or prevent them from reoffending.
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