Why am I not mentioning the £21k? Because the lowest wage for the non-SCs is £19k, that's why. And the top rate is irrelevant if you financially cannot keep your head above water long enough to get there. What is your obsession with the London weighting? Who cares about the London weighting? I don't live in London and their additional payment is for their higher cost of living so it's a moot point. London salaries in pretty much every job are higher than the national average because the standard of living is higher... it's more than fair that London PCs earn more.
For some reason, I assumed you were in London hence referring to that
Taking my example of someone in the 40s with a family and a mortgage and a full-time job, contemplating a change of career into the Police, it's highly likely they may not have time to commit to being a Special. 20 years ago it wasn't uncommon for people to leave school without 3 A-Levels. Therefore it's entirely feasible for that person to only find themselves eligible for the £19k starting salary if eligible at all.
I doubt very much the pay would remain at £19k (or £21k) for ever and would increase annually as it has done already for the last x amount of years, therefore if people can afford to take pay cuts now to do a job they wish to do then I'm sure they will continue to do that, as I said earlier £21k is only £2680 less than what I was on when I started and that went up after initial training, but they will be on top rate quicker which is an incentive and I would feel they could manage for 6yrs if it means they would be on £15k more by then
So you want all your best and brightest to enter at Inspector or Supt level? No place for them as a 10+ year PC? Where have I intimated the "thickos" would go for such a wage? They're your words not mine, and the idea of attracting the best and brightest is the idea of Winsor.
You said that if the best and the brightest is to be attracted then the wage isnt enough, hence saying they would be able to do direct entry, and you intimated "thickos" in my opinion by saying that it wouldnt attract the best and the brightest and I assume you mean it would therefore would attract the rest
As to your Point 3. I may be misreading it but I have no idea what that's supposed to mean, sorry.
In my force, I can be made redundant and I pay more into my pension than you do, so by you saying that it would be brought about by the Winsor report, in away its bringing all forces into line with each other.
The point about the industrial action, you said that it wouldnt be fair paying someone £19k/£21k when there is no ability for industrial action, I was pointing out that its not been allowed for almost 100 years so to argue that point is well pointless
Only last week we would have been advocating a diverse workforce... men and women, young and old. Now we're bringing in measures that I believe will curtail the diverse recruitment and appealing nature of the job. Funny how diversity goes out the window when money is involved.
Who will it prevent from joining? and where is your evidence that it will not be a diverse workforce if the proposals come in
I didn't say they don't deserve it. Deserving something has nothing to do with it. But do I think direct entry at Insp and Supt level will give us a decent calibre of supervisors? No, I don't. Do I think a £19k starting salary (£19k because not many will be a Special or a DE) will attract a decent calibre of person? No, I don't. Sure there will be exceptions, but on the whole that's my view on it. If the starting salary had been £19k when I joined I literally couldn't have afforded to live. No ifs or buts, but my pay drop would have been too much to meet my financial commitments. I'm a double-graduate but I don't want to be a non-cop in uniform - which is what these DE sort will be - I wanted to do my time as a PC, so DE/HPDS is irrelevant for me. But as a double graduate £19k would not have been possible for me
Out of interest, how long have you been in?
And as i've said before, the workforce should be wary of those wanting to fill their shoes. They should be wary of the people wanting to join, wanting to backfill during a work-to-rule period (if one ever happened), they should be wary of a further reliance on free labour via the Special Constabulary. This is an attack on the job we do, the terms we signed up to, and are going to have massive impacts on the standard of living for many serving Officers and their families. It's time to be selfish and look after yourself, protect your job and your interests.
Why should it be wary of those wanting to fill their shoes? do we not take on recruits to fill vacancies? who says there will be more reliance on the SC. Also how can you have "work to rule" in the job? its not possible. What massive impact will it have on the standard of living of officers and families?