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[Johnson792]

I've been reading a few articles on the Scenario bit of the site and I just have a few questions in relation to some topics ive seen about submitting intelligence.

So basicially where do we as Police Officers, PCSO's etc stand on submitting intelligence reports for incidents that have happened whilst off duty? Such as the example on the Scenario part about a moped or something driving erratically.

[wanabe]

451??

[Adamski]

--snip--

Edited by Adamski, 22 November 2011 - 04:22 PM.

[Whopper MacBig]

You can submit what you want whenever you want, however if you start filling inboxes with lots of low-value observations then you run the risk of none of it being taken seriously.

[TCambs]

So basicially where do we as Police Officers, PCSO's etc stand on submitting intelligence reports for incidents that have happened whilst off duty? Such as the example on the Scenario part about a moped or something driving erratically.

If you think it's worthy of an intelligence report then put one in. I don't see why something that is potentially of interest would be less of interest if you were off-duty.

[Nim]

I would just ring it in - on the non-emergency number of course.

[Johnson792]

Thanks, I was just unsure as to whether its something that could be done, or if it was worth calling it in. Obviously if it was something minor not worthy of either I wouldn't do it.

[Adamski]

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Edited by Adamski, 22 November 2011 - 04:22 PM.

[Peteee]

Again, I ask; what is your policing reason?

Operator: "Hello, Police non emergency, how can I help?"
Off Duty Officer: "I'm SC x1234 Smith, I've seen a moped..."

What are you on about?

[Adamski]

--snip--

Edited by Adamski, 22 November 2011 - 04:22 PM.

[Johnson792]

Again, I ask; what is your policing reason?

Operator: "Hello, Police non emergency, how can I help?"
Off Duty Officer: "I'm SC x1234 Smith, I've seen a moped..."

Not the scenario thats important here, I was simply using the Scenario that was published in Scenario City, my point is regarding submitting intel whilst off duty.

[Rob90]

What is your policing reason?

I rest my case.

If I take your sig block at face value, you are still in training, and won't be attesting until well into the next year - if that is so, then your attitude needs a serious adjustment. The OP has asked what is, to my mind a very sensible question, which I often ponder to myself - should I or shouldn't I bother to call that in, put in a 5x5 or (for trafficky stuff, summons the driver). You are unlikely to be criticised for calling things in on the non-emergency number, even if the call taker just logs it, has it broadcast and submits 5x5. In the case of the moped, one might argue that it is petty to call such things in, but we (from operational experience) do respond, as do RPU, to such things being broadcast. In the example the rider might be unlicensed, the bike might be known to be used in crime - you simply do not know what the outcome of a call/intel submission might be.

To sum up, I respectfully suggest that you wind your neck in a bit until you get some operational experience, and learn some manners, if you go about speaking to colleagues or worse, members of the public in the way I have seen you speaking to people on here, I suspect that your career in this service will be short.

[Chewie]

451??

MOPI.

Don't you just love in-depth answers like this?!

While I know what MOPI is, the post (and it's readers) would benefit from a bit of an explanation. As for 451, I have no idea what that refers to apart from being the temperature that books burn at - which I'm guessing isn't what the poster was referring to...

[Rocket]

One thing I keep hearing in my force is that there are not enough intel submissions by a long way, so I doubt that there will be any complaints about submitting too many as that is statistically unlikely.

An Intel submission needs to hopefully form a part of a bigger picture though, not just someone riding a moped badly - I think that particular example is worth a call to 101.

[Rob90]

Don't you just love in-depth answers like this?!

While I know what MOPI is, the post (and it's readers) would benefit from a bit of an explanation. As for 451, I have no idea what that refers to apart from being the temperature that books burn at - which I'm guessing isn't what the poster was referring to...

I do very much love it when people give in depth, helpful answers to questions - especially when they have a whole 3 days of training to base their opinions on.

To adamski, I do not think that your opinion is any less valid solely because you have had a mere 3 days of training, the point I am trying to make to you is that you might have all the knowledge in the world (or at least think that you do), but it is of no use to anyone if you have such a bad attitude when trying to pass it on.

[Johnson792]

There has been many times, something that I feel doesn't need calling in, but maybe should be mentioned somewhere just for a future reference or for example, it may lead to the bigger picture of something which needs addressing.

Thanks for the replies.

[Gabba]

Don't you just love in-depth answers like this?!

While I know what MOPI is, the post (and it's readers) would benefit from a bit of an explanation. As for 451, I have no idea what that refers to apart from being the temperature that books burn at - which I'm guessing isn't what the poster was referring to...

I would guess a 451 is the form that force uses, I can think of 4 names for an intel log we use all the same thing but different names.

There has been many times, something that I feel doesn't need calling in, but maybe should be mentioned somewhere just for a future reference or for example, it may lead to the bigger picture of something which needs addressing.

Thanks for the replies.

if it's rubbish it will be spiked, don't worry about it

[Rocket]

I would guess a 451 is the form that force uses, I can think of 4 names for an intel log we use all the same thing but different names.

if it's rubbish it will be spiked, don't worry about it

I wondered if he was thinking of 4x5x1 on the 5x5x5 intel submission scale?

[wanabe]

Yep a 451 is in fact the form that is filled in for any intel. It is then added onto the force database for others to view.

[Rob90]

Yep a 451 is in fact the form that is filled in for any intel. It is then added onto the force database for others to view.

If I might offer a helpful piece of advice, that is likely to be a force specific term (indeed, it is, because it is not used in my force, we simply call it 5x5 in Suffolk). You may have notice the amount of stick we county mounties give those dashing chaps and chapesses from the Metropolis for using their MetSpeak in the national areas of the forum, lets not let the side down by doing the same.

[Gabba]

I wondered if he was thinking of 4x5x1 on the 5x5x5 intel submission scale?

maybe, thinking about it you may be right seeing the police aren't allowed to choose 5 because we can't be 100% trusted

[Rocket]

If I might offer a helpful piece of advice, that is likely to be a force specific term (indeed, it is, because it is not used in my force, we simply call it 5x5 in Suffolk). You may have notice the amount of stick we county mounties give those dashing chaps and chapesses from the Metropolis for using their MetSpeak in the national areas of the forum, lets not let the side down by doing the same.

A fellow County Mountie to the rescue Sir, we just have a "Big Red Button" on the Intranet for intel submissions.

[Adamski]

Love me some written ambiguity.

I ask for a policing reason to having taken intelligence on a moped and whether or not it should be called in, and I'm the bad man. Welcome to the internet.

[Gabba]

Love me some written ambiguity.

I ask for a policing reason to having taken intelligence on a moped and whether or not it should be called in, and I'm the bad man. Welcome to the internet.

whats a moped?

[Adamski]

whats a moped?

aka Crotch Rocket