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#51 WW86

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 01:23 PM

Another good read Adam! Posted Image Shame about your shoulder though Wes, hope it's soon back to normal! Was the theory exam okay at the end?

I'm a bit confused though guys as I'm Weekend 4 this weekend, we're meant to be covering ASB and then I'm OST a week this Saturday. So your Weekend 4 seems to be missing, or are you doing ASB another week? I know that in the end it works out that I attest a week before you, but you've gone from Weekend 3 to OST haven't you?


Hey Emily,

Thanks re: the shoulder. We don't take the exam until the end of OST 2 - there's still alot more to cover :D.

Our weekend 4 isn't for about 3, maybe 4 weeks now; we have OST 2 in about 2 weeks time I think

Edited by WW86, 23 January 2012 - 01:28 PM.


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Posted 23 January 2012 - 02:04 PM

Seeming I met you in person Adam, thought I would be kind enough to +1 rep you, you look like you need it! On that note, anybody else who likes his post, please rep Adam!
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Posted 23 January 2012 - 02:33 PM

Hey Emily,

Thanks re: the shoulder. We don't take the exam until the end of OST 2 - there's still alot more to cover :D.

Our weekend 4 isn't for about 3, maybe 4 weeks now; we have OST 2 in about 2 weeks time I think


Oh really, that'll explain it then Posted Image

It's no wonder that I attest before you then, as I'm training for the next 4 weekends out of 5 now. At least you've got 2 weeks for your shoulder to recover until your next OST weekend Posted Image

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 02:42 PM

The order in which you do the various weekends will vary, depending on when you start your intake. Our timetable is WE1, WE2, FA, WE3, OST1, OST2, WE4, WE5. We have OST2 on 11/12 Feb, WE4 the weekend after that, and WE5 two weeks after.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 03:03 AM

I read through this topic earlier this evening before I signed up to the forum. It's a very interesting read and i'm very grateful you have posted a week-by-week account of the process. :)
I have my assessment this weekend and reading through your topic has been really inspirational and motivating.
Good luck with the rest of your training :)

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 05:37 PM

So how's Sully been? has everyone behaved themselves? no drop outs? or drinking controversies?

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 09:36 PM

I was going to post an update for today. I wrote up to half way through day 2 and had to pause 4 times to rest my arms (they're THAT knackered). I have several bruises, a sore rib and a graze along one arm (don't even know how that got there).

I have decided that as I can remember approximately nothing of early this afternoon, I shall write tomorrow. Much love...

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 02:07 AM

I was going to post an update for today. I wrote up to half way through day 2 and had to pause 4 times to rest my arms (they're THAT knackered). I have several bruises, a sore rib and a graze along one arm (don't even know how that got there).

I have decided that as I can remember approximately nothing of early this afternoon, I shall write tomorrow. Much love...



Can't wait to see your "threat assessment" of last weekend :unsure:

Edited by WW86, 14 February 2012 - 02:08 AM.


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Posted 15 February 2012 - 02:17 PM

So am I, mate, so am I. I managed to squeege (even a word..?) some time off work yesterday so went to Bournemouth monday night to stay with the other half. Had to drive back to Sully yesterday morning for Hep B jab mind -.-

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 02:41 PM

Thanks for writing this up, it's really interesting to see how differently different forces teach the same stuff.

OST is particular interesting, and completely different to GMP. Ours is run Mon-Fri then the following Mon and Tue (7 full days). And you had cuffs out on the first day! We had no equipment at all until day 4!

Nice to see you're just as sore as we all were, some things don't change :p

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 03:04 PM

So am I, mate, so am I. I managed to squeege (even a word..?) some time off work yesterday so went to Bournemouth monday night to stay with the other half. Had to drive back to Sully yesterday morning for Hep B jab mind -.-

Got my Hep B done yesterday at Sully also! 2pm! 1/3

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 03:09 PM

3/3 done, and thankfully the lass that did mine lives just up the road from me and has offered to meet me at the station to do my bloods. Awesome sauce! Mind you, she didn't half whack the needle in. I hadn't even registered that she'd taken the cap off and it was in...

#63 WW86

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 04:07 PM

Had my booster Hep-B today; hopefully the last one, but now my arm just feels numb....irritatingly numb.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 07:26 PM

Got my first Hep B one done beginning of Feb, Next one 1st March then last one 6 months after that. Then a booster at 5 Years!

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 07:58 PM

Got my first Hep B one done beginning of Feb, Next one 1st March then last one 6 months after that. Then a booster at 5 Years!


That's in an ideal world - it all boils down to the levels your immunity blood test show, which should be taken 3 months after your final jab.

Annoyingly for me, I was caught up in a change of proceedure, so I started with a 3-jab course in 2009, and by the time it came to having my second jab, the health authority I was registered with had rolled out a 2-jab course. Of course, no-one was entirely sure of the roll-over effects of both courses.


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Posted 15 February 2012 - 08:18 PM

I seem to be in a minority here, but I have shown no side effects to any of the jabs. People talked of number 2 hurting quite a lot; I have dealt with no pain, no weakness, no numbness... Nothing. Luck me I guess...

In response to an earlier comment; there was talk at a recent Weekend 1 that I stood in on regarding some student officers that'd been kicked off of an intake due to their behaviour. It's a minority though, I must say.

Officer Safety Training Weekend 2

I've rolled the two days into the one "bulletin," as really we covered a lot of old ground and learnt little that was new. We spent much of the first morning refining our Handcuffing techniques, before moving through Baton work, strikes, takedowns and everything mentioned in weekend one. The "horror," is that Saturday afternoon brings about your practical assessment. This will cover most, but not all, of what you were taught, and be prepared for little curve-balls. They won't ask you anything that wasn't taught, but make sure that if you only pay half attention to weekend one that you really work your backside off on the morning of Saturday two. You'll be assessed individually on the handcuffing techniques, pressure points and strikes, and assessed as a group for your baton work.

Don't be too worried; if you don't quite meet the expected standard on the afternoon here, then you'll be provided with another opportunity on the Sunday morning, alongside an opportunity to practise what you weren't sure on. All I will suggest is that you think before you do, and remember the basic rules of handcuffing. If you've paid close attention at weekend one, then you'll have no problems whatsoever. That's pretty much it for day One, with the exception of a few minutes exposure to your DPV, and you'll be checked over to make sure yours fits.

Day two is theory exam time. And yes, I'm serious (this time). 61 questions of terror in 6 sections. In one of these sections you must score 100%, or you'll be retaking that section. However, you have an hour to do it in. Most people in our class finished after about 40 minutes, so no real problems with time. After that, you'll get together to finalise the practial assessment pieces that weren't up to standard from the day before. This should take you to around midday, at which point it may be lunch time. After lunch, you have a more in depth exposure to searching; your search from prone is mentioned as part of your handcuffing assessment, but here you'll be taught how to properly search people from the prone position. I felt a little guilty towards one lad on my intake that works for Reliance as a Jailor. I had a knuckle duster planted on me, which, surprisingly, the lad failed to find. It was then replanted, and despite his determination to find it, sitll failed! In his defence, it did move from where it was secreted to an area that he'd already searched, and without my doing...

Later in the afternoon, you'll be introduced to the concept of SPEAR. No, you're not jabbing each other, with weapons or otherwise. I won't say too much as it'll spoil the surprise, but be prepared for a pretty strange sounding presentation with some interesting videos. After that, you'll take to the mats again and put what you've observed into some action. It's quite good fun really, and you'll be taken through it at a reasonable pace. There's a lot of talk of the instructors dressing up in FIST suits (no, not a sexual fantasy...), but we had no experience of this. I have definately seen other intakes doing OST with an instructor in a suit, but I've no idea what they were doing!

I think that's it, but I stand to be corrected by my fellow intake mates. The pace of this weekend was rather quick, so I do apologise if anything was overlooked! Look forward to this weekend for some more Law trickery, before our final weekend on the 2nd of March, and attestation on the 4th. For those of you wondering, the Special Chief Constable really does not joke when he says that the 16 weeks of training flies by. I can still vividly remember Weekend One Day One as though it were yesterday, and that was nearly 4 months ago!

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 09:18 PM

+ 1 :blu:

I got WE3 this Weekend - We should hopefully get our uniform (gucci kit)!

Another good post. Thanks for the heads up on OST. However I have managed to chat to some of the guys who have also completed their OST.

That's in an ideal world - it all boils down to the levels your immunity blood test show, which should be taken 3 months after your final jab.

Annoyingly for me, I was caught up in a change of proceedure, so I started with a 3-jab course in 2009, and by the time it came to having my second jab, the health authority I was registered with had rolled out a 2-jab course. Of course, no-one was entirely sure of the roll-over effects of both courses.


Apparently my blood test is 1 month after my second Jab.... Hmmm I wonder if the nurse wrote that down wrong... I will double check that when i next go.

Edited by Koados, 15 February 2012 - 09:19 PM.


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Posted 15 February 2012 - 09:20 PM

Got my first Hep B one done beginning of Feb, Next one 1st March then last one 6 months after that. Then a booster at 5 Years!


I suppose I had better go about getting mine sorted! I had completely forgotton about it!
How do you organise it at Sully?

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 09:26 PM

+ 1 :blu:

I got WE3 this Weekend - We should hopefully get our uniform (gucci kit)!

Another good post. Thanks for the heads up on OST. However I have managed to chat to some of the guys who have also completed their OST.



Apparently my blood test is 1 month after my second Jab.... Hmmm I wonder if the nurse wrote that down wrong... I will double check that when i next go.


Weekend 4 for us this coming weekend, which should be interesting.

It's entirely possible that your HA does things differently to the ones I've been registered with :S

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 09:36 PM

I suppose I had better go about getting mine sorted! I had completely forgotton about it!
How do you organise it at Sully?


Haha, I think there is only one day they do it on. I think you have to speak to OC Health.

I got my done at my GP but you might aswell get your's done at Sully as your just round the corner :blu:

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 01:05 PM

There's a lot of talk of the instructors dressing up in FIST suits (no, not a sexual fantasy...), but we had no experience of this.


Another great report. Sounds like you are having a lot of fun, which is great!

Shame you didn't get a go with the instructor in the suit though. That was a great experience and extremely exhausting for all involved. It is a brilliant way of highlighting how many techniques go straight out of the window, even in the safe environment, when you are under pressure. Even though we had been using them 10 minutes before!

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 01:38 PM

Another great report. Sounds like you are having a lot of fun, which is great!

Shame you didn't get a go with the instructor in the suit though. That was a great experience and extremely exhausting for all involved. It is a brilliant way of highlighting how many techniques go straight out of the window, even in the safe environment, when you are under pressure. Even though we had been using them 10 minutes before!


GG, if you have experience of this, would you mind writing up what you can remember for the others? It may be of some use to curb expectations...

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 02:06 PM

GG, if you have experience of this, would you mind writing up what you can remember for the others? It may be of some use to curb expectations...


Yer I will have a go, from what I can remember back in May/June.

The idea behind the suit is for you to have an experience of actually carrying out some of your newly learnt techniques under pressure in as real a situation as possible. One of the trainers got suited up in a large padded outfit protecting his arms, hands, neck, torso and legs. Then we were put into the situation, without belt kit, to have a go at our unarmed tactics. Various situations were put forward, in the earliest ones when he still was full of energy he wouldn't listen to anything that was said and you are your partner ended up having to restrain him, late on he would respond to your communication if he classes it good enough, as he was getting pretty exhausted.
When I personally had a go, we were one of the first pairs. He was refusing to listen to any of our communication and promptly swung a punch, just missing my partner. We managed to pin him to a wall and threw in a couple of kneestrikes, before he caught my partner in a headlock. We managed to drag him to the ground and pin him eventually.
It was a massive eye opener to actually how strong some people could be when they wanted. In fairness we are both quite small guys, but even with two of us going for him he was comfortably winning for the first half. In hindsight looking back it could have been ended much sooner by using pressure points and leg sweeps, but the mist descended and it felt like you were fighting, almost for your life, so tactics went out of the door.

I found it a great experience and I have found that when in conflict situations I have thought a lot more carefully (obviously in that slight millisecond you get) about how I am going to deal with the situation rather than just ended up in a complete mess of the floor rolling around. Another thing to watch was how close he came to taking my partner out with his first swing. Definitely one thing to watch is your reaction distance.

I may have emitted various bits, and changed others as I am not 100% sure it happened like that. Pretty sure it did, but was a long time ago now. Hope that helps a little

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 02:47 PM

Yer I will have a go, from what I can remember back in May/June.

The idea behind the suit is for you to have an experience of actually carrying out some of your newly learnt techniques under pressure in as real a situation as possible. One of the trainers got suited up in a large padded outfit protecting his arms, hands, neck, torso and legs. Then we were put into the situation, without belt kit, to have a go at our unarmed tactics. Various situations were put forward, in the earliest ones when he still was full of energy he wouldn't listen to anything that was said and you are your partner ended up having to restrain him, late on he would respond to your communication if he classes it good enough, as he was getting pretty exhausted.
When I personally had a go, we were one of the first pairs. He was refusing to listen to any of our communication and promptly swung a punch, just missing my partner. We managed to pin him to a wall and threw in a couple of kneestrikes, before he caught my partner in a headlock. We managed to drag him to the ground and pin him eventually.
It was a massive eye opener to actually how strong some people could be when they wanted. In fairness we are both quite small guys, but even with two of us going for him he was comfortably winning for the first half. In hindsight looking back it could have been ended much sooner by using pressure points and leg sweeps, but the mist descended and it felt like you were fighting, almost for your life, so tactics went out of the door.

I found it a great experience and I have found that when in conflict situations I have thought a lot more carefully (obviously in that slight millisecond you get) about how I am going to deal with the situation rather than just ended up in a complete mess of the floor rolling around. Another thing to watch was how close he came to taking my partner out with his first swing. Definitely one thing to watch is your reaction distance.

I may have emitted various bits, and changed others as I am not 100% sure it happened like that. Pretty sure it did, but was a long time ago now. Hope that helps a little

That sounds really fun! I'm no Karate expert but did achieve Orange belt (3rd belt Wado Kai) and was a few months off for going for a green (4th), sweeps is something I am comfortable with. SO... really looking forward to it!
The one thing I will say about unarmed combat is, it doesn't matter how good you think you will be, its when on the spot you cant think clear. And afraid to say I did suffer with tunnel vision in are sparing training and forgot some of the basics, that's when muscle memory really kicks in!
Cheers GG

Edited by Andy_M, 16 February 2012 - 02:49 PM.


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Posted 16 February 2012 - 03:46 PM

Spot on Chief, good post and thanks.




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