I posted what my EDC is in the post above. I think it was made right before you posted, so you probably didn't see it.
The same reason you carry your PPE. If someone pulls a gun on you, your baton will be of no use, yet you still carry one. Is that a reason why you should stop carrying a baton - Because it might make the offended more annoyed and the situation worse for you? We both carry our equipment to protect ourselves. The thing I don't get is that while you are happy to carry weapons for "protecting" yourself, you seem a bit distrustful of fellow citizens carrying legal items to do the same. I should make clear that, although I think you can guess my opinion on it, I don't intend this thread to be a debate about whether the law should be changed. I'm more interested in what you personally think of MOP's and legal PPE, and what you'd do if you saw it on a search.
as i said in my post its highly unlikely you'd ever come across a gun, the same goes for me, but if i did i know
none of my PPE is going to be of any use, with the exception of the big red button, but regardless my OST covers a firearms incident and what to do/not to do, in our pnb's (it may be different for other forces) we even get a neat little flow chart for firearms incidents (EDIT: having checked the back of my pnb, it is surprisingly one of the few things not in a flow chart, just bullet points), which of course you would consult before taking any course of acton
. for any other situation, even with a knife... a baton and cs would come in rather handy, but what would "Farb Gel" do? its not going to "protect" you, but you can be sure if someone moves up the force matrix to assaultive resistance or serious/aggravated then a baton and CS, while not being perfect, would go a hell of a way to protecting a police officer or members of the public. your "ppe" probably going to make it worse, there are some scumbags who would think nothing of stabbing you for having the audacity for pulling the canister on them. At the end of the day, its not "really" PPE. its glorified dye in a canister.
my opinion is that you have no real
need for it, so why carry it? if anything, as i said, it could make things alot worse for you.
and on the point of protecting myself, as said previously , off duty i'd have no qualms about getting involved or protecting myself without ppe and having that duty to intervene would make a police officer more of a target off duty as soon as you identify yourself as such, so why do you, as a member of the public, need it?
I do actually have a duty to get involved. With that duty in mind, I would rather have any form of PPE than nothing. If we assume that the officer does not keep his equipment at home like some specials do, then he has a couple of alternatives available. He can do "instant arming" with a weapon of opportunity if is reasonable, or they can use any legal alternative - including farb gel. They can carry handcuffs off duty, as can MOP's. I don't, but that's just personal preference.
a moral duty yes, but can you get disciplined/end up in the newspapers/etc for not doing anything?
just because you can
carry handcuffs off duty, doesn't mean you should, do you honestly think any special would live down carrying handcuffs and farb gel off duty... they'd be laughed out of the divison let alone the station? there's no need for a police officer to carry anything off duty, so why should you?
and at the end of the day anyone can pick up a rock off the ground to defend themselves as you said, which is a lot more effective than farb gel...
Edited by andyfofo, 27 September 2011 - 03:49 PM.