Hi all,
Im new to this forum but I am from UKPoliceonline.
Serving Police Officer with GMP, have been in for 3 1/2 years. Working on response.
I have only worked with one SC who was very keen and willing to learn, wasnt cocky/arrogant etc. and was basically great to work with. But we dont get many on our division or response group. Is there a reason for this are SC not allowed out with response officers?
If any one would like to come out with our shift please PM me and I will try and sort this out. I work on the busy "B" division
Cheers
H
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Posted 21 June 2011 - 02:57 PM
Hi Briskoda. Glad to hear that you're up for taking Specials out - that's greatly appreciated, and it's good to see that the Special you did have was a good advert for us. This thread will go some way to explaining why you might not get as many Specials joining you as you should...
http://www.policespe...howtopic=112616
EDIT: some more thoughts posted recently by a GMP regular, who I hope doesn't mind me reproducing them (in edited form) here as I think they're quite relevant to your question.
http://www.policespe...howtopic=112616
EDIT: some more thoughts posted recently by a GMP regular, who I hope doesn't mind me reproducing them (in edited form) here as I think they're quite relevant to your question.
The current way of specials working in my force is that they are aligned to NPU's and have to ask permission to work with a response team. This is ridiculous in my opinion. I got a text from one of our specials last week asking if he could parade on and work with me that night, not a problem i said, however later on i got another text saying his s/sgt said he wasnt allowed. The s/sgt in question to my knowledge has never ever worked with a response team so doesnt know the demands placed on us with little staff. yet he see's it fit to tell an eager officer who wants assist that he cant work, it wasn't even a case of "no you cant do that because we need you to do NPU work" it was just a simple no with no reason as to why. I feel in that case it was like mike said earlier, just the specials 'management' trying to flex their muscles and exert a bit of power over someone.
My division has around 60 specials i am led to believe, but i can count on 2 hands the number of specials that i see on a regular basis. In my opinion if you want to get the respect and acceptance from regs then the answer is to work with us. The vast majority of specials tend to work alone in their own groups on a 'fun bus' thats not going to get you accepted with the regs because youre not getting to know them.
Edited by Smiley Culture, 21 June 2011 - 03:11 PM.
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Posted 21 June 2011 - 03:48 PM
I think Smiley's post covers why there is not as many specials going out on response as their should be. On behalf of everyone else here, thanks for the post and especially the offer for Specials to parade with you. 
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Posted 21 June 2011 - 05:24 PM
Hi all,
Im new to this forum but I am from UKPoliceonline.
Serving Police Officer with GMP, have been in for 3 1/2 years. Working on response.
I have only worked with one SC who was very keen and willing to learn, wasnt cocky/arrogant etc. and was basically great to work with. But we dont get many on our division or response group. Is there a reason for this are SC not allowed out with response officers?
If any one would like to come out with our shift please PM me and I will try and sort this out. I work on the busy "B" division
Cheers
H
Hiya mate,
Welcome to ps.com.
It has always been the same on the B division mate. As my username suggests I was a b division special. I joined in 1997 and left to become a reg in 2006. I used to get asked all the time by regs on the B why I was the only special they ever saw. On paper there was a lot of us but I was the only one that worked regularly with the shift.
I don't know if it still works the same now but when I joined the B didn't exist. It was part of the C and as such all specials were C division specials. Later it became it's own division however it contingent of specials were still the c division specials. Basically we could work either the B or the C divisions. From my experience most of the specials used to bus up in a carrier on a Friday/Saturday night and go to yca on the C. If they still do this it may explain why you don't see any working on your division very often.
Edited by SC_GMP_BDIV, 21 June 2011 - 05:28 PM.
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Posted 22 June 2011 - 10:30 AM
In a nut shell, Specials are directed to work with NPT's and arfe not supposed to work response, yet this is probably where they will gain the most experience
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Posted 22 June 2011 - 06:02 PM
Some divisions will not let us work with response full stop. Others I am led to believe will only let new specials out with a SC tutor rather than going out with regs. I'm very lucky in that I've probably done more shifts with response than area which is supported by a lot of the area bobbies as it is the best place to learn. My specials supervision would prefer me to work more with area but understand that if i'm not needed by area then I go out with the section lads and lasses.
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Posted 02 July 2011 - 04:10 PM
It is possible on the B Division to work on response. As to why they're not seen on response very often, it is true that (no doubt like all other Divisions) NPT is somewhat encouraged but also being honest, they're just isn't a great deal of Specials on the B. Including 6 who literally had their induction about a fortnight ago there are about 35 total. Turns out, not a lot of folks volunteer for the B. Folks don't know what they're missing.
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Posted 05 August 2011 - 03:23 PM
It is possible on the B Division to work on response. As to why they're not seen on response very often, it is true that (no doubt like all other Divisions) NPT is somewhat encouraged but also being honest, they're just isn't a great deal of Specials on the B. Including 6 who literally had their induction about a fortnight ago there are about 35 total. Turns out, not a lot of folks volunteer for the B. Folks don't know what they're missing.
Hello, I am new to all this...
I am currently half way through my specials application process (passed paper sift and exams/interview). Though I am living in Preston next year due to university I have requested the B division. If all goes well with recruitment I hope I have chosen the right division!
Edited by UCLAN_SC, 05 August 2011 - 03:25 PM.
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Posted 06 August 2011 - 02:18 PM
Hello, I am new to all this...
I am currently half way through my specials application process (passed paper sift and exams/interview). Though I am living in Preston next year due to university I have requested the B division. If all goes well with recruitment I hope I have chosen the right division!
I will be very surprised if you get the B, most likely you'll be allocated the L or K
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Posted 07 September 2011 - 01:54 PM
Well just an update.
I have worked with two specials (seperate occasions) since I started this topic, both good lads and very keen! I've taken them out on nights and afternoons and been to loads of jobs with them.
initially they were quiet and didnt do that much at incidents but that is to be expected. Until I satdown with them and told them if they had any questions during that I would answer any that they had gave them pointers on what to do.They soon came out of there shells and they loved it on response.
They work at least 60 hours a month which I have to give them credit for. Both are trying for the recruitment in April which I am certain they will pass. A credit to GMP. Look forward to working with more specials
I have worked with two specials (seperate occasions) since I started this topic, both good lads and very keen! I've taken them out on nights and afternoons and been to loads of jobs with them.
initially they were quiet and didnt do that much at incidents but that is to be expected. Until I satdown with them and told them if they had any questions during that I would answer any that they had gave them pointers on what to do.They soon came out of there shells and they loved it on response.
They work at least 60 hours a month which I have to give them credit for. Both are trying for the recruitment in April which I am certain they will pass. A credit to GMP. Look forward to working with more specials
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Posted 08 September 2011 - 07:11 PM
Well just an update.
I have worked with two specials (seperate occasions) since I started this topic, both good lads and very keen! I've taken them out on nights and afternoons and been to loads of jobs with them.
initially they were quiet and didnt do that much at incidents but that is to be expected. Until I satdown with them and told them if they had any questions during that I would answer any that they had gave them pointers on what to do.They soon came out of there shells and they loved it on response.
They work at least 60 hours a month which I have to give them credit for. Both are trying for the recruitment in April which I am certain they will pass. A credit to GMP. Look forward to working with more specials
Good to see that you see it from a positive perspective
. I'm due to be attested next week, if i get the opportunity to go out with response I'd snap it up 
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Posted 13 September 2011 - 10:20 AM
Good to see that you see it from a positive perspective
It is commendable that Briskodo encourages SPecials and acts as a tutor to them who he has taken out, but this should happen accross the board, not simply by one or two officers (like Briskoda) taking an interest. This should be done accross response/NPT/etc. basicall anywhere a Special is used/parades for duty.
When are all concerned that SPecials can be an asset to the regular(s). They need to invest a little time and efford (as they do with regular probationers) and as the skill levels increase those Specials can be seen as far more of an assistance than ever.
At the top of the force. This needs to be recognised and a better structure of training/utilisation employed to develop and support the Specials when with their NPT's
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Posted 30 October 2011 - 11:18 AM
Where do response parade from on the B? Longsight?
Ive read several times before that the B is a good area for specials to learn the ropes, however as I live in Reddish and go to the gym in Gorton, I thought it was a little close to home.
Why don't others work the B? This is just my opinion but i think for some the bright lights of working the City Centre on a friday or saturday night may draw them away as they may feel that there's not much going on on the B? Just my opinion tho.
Ive read several times before that the B is a good area for specials to learn the ropes, however as I live in Reddish and go to the gym in Gorton, I thought it was a little close to home.
Why don't others work the B? This is just my opinion but i think for some the bright lights of working the City Centre on a friday or saturday night may draw them away as they may feel that there's not much going on on the B? Just my opinion tho.
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Posted 05 January 2012 - 05:39 PM
Yes mate parade on at Longsight.
To be honest I dont see many specials at Longsight I regulary take two specials out (not at the same time). There good lads very keen to learn and pick things up very quick.
The B is a really good division if you want to learn the job quick. Its so varied everything and everything can come in. Its the same every week in the city centre, drunken people, fights etc.
We need more specials to come to the B, and I would be happy to take anyone out for shifts on resposne
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To be honest I dont see many specials at Longsight I regulary take two specials out (not at the same time). There good lads very keen to learn and pick things up very quick.
The B is a really good division if you want to learn the job quick. Its so varied everything and everything can come in. Its the same every week in the city centre, drunken people, fights etc.
We need more specials to come to the B, and I would be happy to take anyone out for shifts on resposne
Tim
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Posted 05 January 2012 - 08:41 PM
I have requested the B Division and have my fitness test on Monday
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Posted 25 January 2012 - 01:27 PM
Hi guys,
I wonder if any of you could help, I am training to be a Special with Humberside and I am due to Attest at the end of March but I may have to relocate to Greater Manchester, around Whalley Range, Chorlton area. Just wondering if you know the policy for transfering? I will only have around a month and a halfs experience after I attest, would this matter, or could I just be assigned to a particular area and pick up where I left off? (loosely speaking of course, as I know all constabularys are different)
Clint
I wonder if any of you could help, I am training to be a Special with Humberside and I am due to Attest at the end of March but I may have to relocate to Greater Manchester, around Whalley Range, Chorlton area. Just wondering if you know the policy for transfering? I will only have around a month and a halfs experience after I attest, would this matter, or could I just be assigned to a particular area and pick up where I left off? (loosely speaking of course, as I know all constabularys are different)
Clint
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Posted 04 February 2012 - 06:34 PM
In my opinion the best (most challenging) divisions to learn the job fast are the A,B & F. For some reason, although being the busiest divisions of GMP have the least number of specials allocated to them.
On the subject of GMP's policy on specials transferring - they cant.
You would have to apply to GMP and then when you had been through everything and passed resign from your current force. You'd then have to do the training, OST etc again as it will be different in GMP.
In reality you'd probably be able to miss a few of the training sessions if its stuff you have already covered. Personally I think its ridiculous that specials cannot transfer in... but oh well!
On the subject of GMP's policy on specials transferring - they cant.
You would have to apply to GMP and then when you had been through everything and passed resign from your current force. You'd then have to do the training, OST etc again as it will be different in GMP.
In reality you'd probably be able to miss a few of the training sessions if its stuff you have already covered. Personally I think its ridiculous that specials cannot transfer in... but oh well!
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