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[jaysec]

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So how would that justify jumping the queue ? it doesnt

I wasn't referring to jumping the queue, just stating one persons experience of cadets isn't how it is everywhere.

[Paradox]

Not sure how police cadets are run in other area's, but speaking for my own unit we are not a youth club.
Youth clubs are for social evenings and involve sport/video games.
Our cadets are niether, social clubs do not provide discipline, team building, provisions to stimulate a interest in a public service.

So how about Scouts?

On this basis we should provide them with easier access too.

[Hyde]

To my knowledge, Air cadets don't have anything set up to help them skip half of the process. Neither do army cadets.
And referring to your post Metcadet - i said "Club" not "Youth club" - the difference is so small yet so big.

[jaysec]

So how about Scouts?

On this basis we should provide them with easier access too.

No because considering how a percentage of scouts join our cadet unit at the age of 14 anyway.

[Paradox]

No because considering how a percentage of scouts join our cadet unit at the age of 14 anyway.

That's irrelevant, I was referring to applications for SC/PC/PCSO.

By your logic, Scouts (who have a lot of very similar experience to Cadets) should then also be given fast-track access into the police force based on their past experience.

[jaysec]

That's irrelevant, I was referring to applications for SC/PC/PCSO.

By your logic, Scouts (who have a lot of very similar experience to Cadets) should then also be given fast-track access into the police force based on their past experience.

How has it diverted this much? I didn't actually mention anything about cadets getting a 'fast track' into the police, only that waiting times should not be so rediculously long.

[Gforceuk]

They are long for everyone... why should cadets get a shorter waiting time?

[jaysec]

They are long for everyone... why should cadets get a shorter waiting time?

I didn't actually to say cadets should get a shorter time, I did actually mean it shouldn't be so long just to hear about assesment days but it all came out wrong.

Just gets aggravating when people claim police cadets are like youth clubs...

[Gforceuk]

I didn't actually to say cadets should get a shorter time, I did actually mean it shouldn't be so long just to hear about assesment days but it all came out wrong.

Just gets aggravating when people claim police cadets are like youth clubs...

so they arent? despite you describing it and the plus's for going just the same as you would the scouts

[jaysec]

so they arent? despite you describing it and the plus's for going just the same as you would the scouts

I dont think I described a youth club did I? or did I?

We get people join who have false or idea's of things they will be doing/things they do that they do when their out with friends which is against what the unit and as part of the service stand for.

Being part of a uniformed organisation (like any other uniformed unit) requires respect, discipline and to accept and support what the service is working towards. Which is why cadets that think its a youth club and try adn treat it like so are never around for long or find it hard to get on.

Edited by MetCadetJCCC, 28 April 2010 - 08:10 PM.

[Hyde]

How has it diverted this much? I didn't actually mention anything about cadets getting a 'fast track' into the police, only that waiting times should not be so rediculously long.

So, you mean a fast-track then?

[Paradox]

Still sounds very similar to the Scouting organisation to me.

[jaysec]

So, you mean a fast-track then?

Am I the only one thinking waiting times e.g. before a assesment day are too long?
For anyone.

[Paradox]

Am I the only one thinking waiting times e.g. before a assesment day are too long?
For anyone.

Yes, but can you justify shortening it for Cadets as opposed to other applicants? That is what we have been discussing, and as yet I'm still to hear any convincing arguments as to why that should be the case.

[jaysec]

Yes, but can you justify shortening it for Cadets as opposed to other applicants? That is what we have been discussing, and as yet I'm still to hear any convincing arguments as to why that should be the case.

I actually did say in a previous post I mis-wrote what I wasn't intending to state.
I personally feel the amount of time police cadets put into their force should be at least aknowledged for their hard work, along with other disciplined units.

But in general waiting times are a bit lengthy.

[Paradox]

I actually did say in a previous post I mis-wrote what I wasn't intending to state.
I personally feel the amount of time police cadets put into their force should be at least aknowledged for their hard work, along with other disciplined units.

But in general waiting times are a bit lengthy.

Ah, oki doki. Sorry I didn't catch that from your other post.

And I agree, Cadets should be acknowledged for what they do, but I don't feel that preferential treatment during police application is the best way to go about it.

[Corbs]

It should be taken into account, but not as a way to leapfrog other candidates.

[Maestor_James]

Cadets should be acknowledged for what they do, but I don't feel that preferential treatment during police application is the best way to go about it.

I agree that the actions of Cadets should and will be noted during any recruitment process but I can't see any reason for a fast-track service.

[HACKNEYCADET]

Police cadets come across many things normal police officers do whether it be when we are doing leaflet drops or policing events ourselves. We constantly interact with the public and at times have to deal with certain situations as if we were police officers like today for example. I was manning a footpath where members of the public were not allowed to walk through but some people tried and they failed, people either had to cross the road (through runners) or go through a park to reach thier destination. I came across a few men who were quite drunk and at first were abusive because I did not let them through. Eventually they calmed down, sat on a wall and watched the marathon with a few beers in hand. A few hours into the marathon I had to deal with an extremely rude gentleman who proceeded in ignoring me, the police tape and a police officer. He literally brushed passed me as if I was not even there - luckily the officer pulled him back up to the cordon and told him not to do what he did again.

At cadet meetings we regularly get involved in police workshops and learn information about counter terrorism, gang crime, and much, much more. At times I have been told operational information and come across some as well, which I'm expected to keep to myself and between the Sergeant. There are times when we go out with Police officers and they have thier radios on full blast so you can hear what is going on - the amount of stuff I hear is incredible. We also train and learn police powers as if we're doing an intensive course at Hendon and we regularly take part in various policing activities like events in the local area or city as well as crime prevention, door-to-door, leaflet drops and many other policing events.

My point being that police cadets should have an easier route into the police. No matter how cadets are 'dressed up' we still provide a a service on behalf of the police as volunteers. We still meet up at the station like police officers, we still have briefings like police officers, we still wear the same uniform as some police units and we still take part in policing events. We also spend many hours each week doing extra work with the community and even helping out down the station. We are trusted with keeping codes to the front gate and the inside of the station to ourselves and also not to mention anything about what we do if it has any operation information attached for obvious reasons.

Personally I feel proud to be a cadet as do many of my friends and we always talk about joining the force but get slightly disheartened when we have to go through the same process as people that are applying for thier first bit of police work. We basically cover everything in the recruitment process in role-plays, training and even the PIRT when we are asked to do some simple written reports , reading maps (grid references) and also act as if we were dealing with a real emergency.

I am a bit tired so that's why this is not structured that well - looking forward to a good debate with carty23

The Best way into the police is go to university.

[Sierra Papa 88]

The Best way into the police is go to university.

Utter rubbish!

[Gforceuk]

agreed.... absolute rubbish.

The best way is to develop a personality , life experience, common sense and just applying...

[Sierra Papa 88]

agreed.... absolute rubbish.

The best way is to develop a personality , life experience, common sense and just applying...

I absolutely agree.

Some of the best officers I know are not graduates, but one's like you said have life experience, a strong personality, bucket loads of common sense and some passion for the job.

[MikeBrum]

The graduate boys waltz all over the experienced coppers (what has the world come to?)

[268]

QUOTE (VPCMP @ Apr 25 2010, 9:58 PM) Police cadets come across many things normal police officers do whether it be when we are doing leaflet drops or policing events ourselves. We constantly interact with the public and at times have to deal with certain situations as if we were police officers like today for example. I was manning a footpath where members of the public were not allowed to walk through but some people tried and they failed, people either had to cross the road (through runners) or go through a park to reach thier destination. I came across a few men who were quite drunk and at first were abusive because I did not let them through. Eventually they calmed down, sat on a wall and watched the marathon with a few beers in hand. A few hours into the marathon I had to deal with an extremely rude gentleman who proceeded in ignoring me, the police tape and a police officer. He literally brushed passed me as if I was not even there - luckily the officer pulled him back up to the cordon and told him not to do what he did again.

At cadet meetings we regularly get involved in police workshops and learn information about counter terrorism, gang crime, and much, much more. At times I have been told operational information and come across some as well, which I'm expected to keep to myself and between the Sergeant. There are times when we go out with Police officers and they have thier radios on full blast so you can hear what is going on - the amount of stuff I hear is incredible. We also train and learn police powers as if we're doing an intensive course at Hendon and we regularly take part in various policing activities like events in the local area or city as well as crime prevention, door-to-door, leaflet drops and many other policing events.

My point being that police cadets should have an easier route into the police. No matter how cadets are 'dressed up' we still provide a a service on behalf of the police as volunteers. We still meet up at the station like police officers, we still have briefings like police officers, we still wear the same uniform as some police units and we still take part in policing events. We also spend many hours each week doing extra work with the community and even helping out down the station. We are trusted with keeping codes to the front gate and the inside of the station to ourselves and also not to mention anything about what we do if it has any operation information attached for obvious reasons.

Personally I feel proud to be a cadet as do many of my friends and we always talk about joining the force but get slightly disheartened when we have to go through the same process as people that are applying for thier first bit of police work. We basically cover everything in the recruitment process in role-plays, training and even the PIRT when we are asked to do some simple written reports , reading maps (grid references) and also act as if we were dealing with a real emergency.

I am a bit tired so that's why this is not structured that well - looking forward to a good debate with carty23

The Best way into the police is go to university.

If this is the case and cadets should be fast tracked as you say. I feel I should be fast tracked also. I work in a shop and deal with rude, aggressive, unappreciative customers on a regular basis. The scenario you described where you had to man a path is similar to scenarios I have faced but the difference being I have the power to make an individual follow my instructions and there would be consequences if the individual were to not follow them.

I have dealt with drunks and thieves etc. I am also trusted with large amounts of money and codes which I would say to a business is equaly as important as small snippets of sensitive information cadets are exposed to occasionaly.

I could be wrong but it sounds to me as if you are insinuating police cadets are better equipped and more qualified than me even though I face what you have described on at least a weekly basis.

The only thing I do not do is hand out leaflets. Also I think the avon lady should be offered the fast track system as she appears to fulfill similar duties to a cadet - leaflet dropping, dealing with the public, trusted with sensitive information.


Sounds silly to me.

[rosco]

If this is the case and cadets should be fast tracked as you say. I feel I should be fast tracked also. I work in a shop and deal with rude, aggressive, unappreciative customers on a regular basis. The scenario you described where you had to man a path is similar to scenarios I have faced but the difference being I have the power to make an individual follow my instructions and there would be consequences if the individual were to not follow them.

I have dealt with drunks and thieves etc. I am also trusted with large amounts of money and codes which I would say to a business is equaly as important as small snippets of sensitive information cadets are exposed to occasionaly.

I could be wrong but it sounds to me as if you are insinuating police cadets are better equipped and more qualified than me even though I face what you have described on at least a weekly basis.

The only thing I do not do is hand out leaflets. Also I think the avon lady should be offered the fast track system as she appears to fulfill similar duties to a cadet - leaflet dropping, dealing with the public, trusted with sensitive information.


Sounds silly to me.

Agree with you here - only Specials should, in my opinion, have FastTrack option considered as they have same powers and are used operationally like regulars. Cadet experience, like shop-worker or any other number of previous experiences with public contact, would supply helpful guide at interview time of suitability of person, but that's about it.