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Poll: Which one? (73 member(s) have cast votes)

Which of the consoles do you prefer

  1. XBOX 360 (34 votes [45.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 45.33%

  2. PS3 (41 votes [54.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 54.67%

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#26 Gforceuk

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 11:46 AM

The newer 360's come with HDMI as standard, even the basic "Arcade" version has an HDMI port now. My Son bought one with his Christmas money from Argos, £119.99 and came with £118 worth of games (if you bought them separately) so £1.99 for an Xbox 360 is pretty good in my book.

It didn't come with a hard drive admittedly, so we bought a 20Gb drive off eBay just to get hold of the HDD case (£7 inc p&p) and upgraded it to a 500GB (£54) add in his Xbox live membership for a year, which we got from Game for £34 and they threw in a set of headphones.

All in all, in real terms, the console (complete) has cost him £96.99. He'd have had to have bought games anyway, so I've not counted them.



Funny.. the ps3 had hdmi as standard from release date :eek:

you get what you pay for as they say

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 12:12 PM

Seriously though, is there anything scarier than seeing this just after you've bought a new game for the weekend?

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 01:07 PM

Seriously though, is there anything scarier than seeing this just after you've bought a new game for the weekend?

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Dont get that with the ps3 :D

or any other faults

#29 Damsel

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 03:13 PM

Dont get that with the ps3 :eek:

or any other faults


Erm.... That's true in as much as the PS3's light is yellow, and not red. http://www.bbc.co.uk..._yellow_li.html Click for video.

Sony PlayStation 3 and the "yellow light of death"

When Sony launched its latest PlayStation in 2007, they described it as a super powered entertainment machine. No longer just a games console, the PlayStation 3 could play high-definition movies and digital TV, store photos and music, and connect to the internet. It sold for £425, making it the most expensive console on the market, but that was ok, because it was built to last, right? At the North American launch of the PS3 in November 2006, Sony Computer Entertainment President Kaz Hirai told CNN, "I think the investment the consumers make on day one with the PS3 is an investment that they can enjoy for many, many years to come."

But after a little more than two years, the enjoyment of some owners of the original PS3 has turned to frustration: their machines have broken down without warning, and all have displayed the same fault indicator - a yellow flashing light. When that light shows, the box no longer works. It's become so feared by gamers that they've dubbed it "The Yellow Light of Death".

More than 150 Watchdog viewers have contacted us to say they've experienced it, and by Sony's own admission, around 12,500 of the 2.5 million PlayStations sold in the UK have shut down in this way since March 2007. The problem is mainly thought to affect the 60GB launch model, but Sony repeatedly refuses to release the failure rate for that model, claiming that the information is "commercially sensitive".

If this failure had occurred in the first 12 months after purchase, Sony would have replaced the customer's console without charge, but since the problem appears to be affecting consoles after 18-24 months of use, and therefore outside of the warranty period, Sony say it's not liable. Sony does offer a solution, by offering customers a refurbished machine in return for their faulty one. Up until late August 2009, the company charged £145 for this service, but that price has since been reduced to £128. As part of this charge, not only do customers receive a console that is as good as new, they get a door to door courier collection and delivery service. Sony says it makes no profit from the facility, and in fact make a loss.

Sony dislikes the term "the yellow light of death", since it implies a single fault is afflicting all consoles. It says the flashing yellow light is a "non-specific fault indicator that can be triggered in a range of different circumstances." Sony adds that the yellow light could indicate a problem caused by "any one of a range of issues that may inevitably affect any complex item of consumer electronics".

What's causing machines to stop working?

So if there isn't one single thing that's causing thousands of machines to stop working, why does it appear that one single repair appears to get them working again?

Unwilling to pay Sony for a refurbished PS3, customers often turn to independent console repair businesses. Several of those businesses have told Watchdog that the vast majority of consoles they see with the "yellow light of death" can be repaired by heating up specific parts of the circuit board. This process is called solder re-flow. By heating the connections between the components and the circuit board to temperatures in excess of 200 Celsius, the metal solder joints melt, just like they did when the device was first assembled. Console repairers say that this process method is commonly used to repair fractured connections, or dry joints.

Watchdog asked independent console repairer Marc Newman to attempt this repair on 16 viewers' consoles which had the yellow flashing light problem. After being disassembled and heated in Marc's special oven, all 16 machines began working again, much to the delight of their owners. Unfortunately, of the 16 repaired, five have since stopped working again, and these were just 16 out of the thousands to have suffered the "yellow light of death". But is it just coincidence they were all resurrected using the same technique? Could that mean their breakdown was caused by the same thing?

Sony's response

Sony say it's disappointed if a small number of their consumers appear to have experienced problems with their PlayStation 3 units outside the manufacturer's warranty period, but stress that there is no evidence that these problems are caused by a manufacturing fault. "We entirely refute the suggestion that PS3 consoles have an inherent defect or other design issue...Of all PS3's sold in the UK to date, fewer than one half of one percent of units have been reported as failing in circumstances where the yellow indicator is illuminated."

"The phrase "yellow light of death" has been adopted by certain members of the online community to describe the situation in which PS3 systems have shut down following the illumination of the yellow light on the PS3's front panel. The yellow light indicator is simply a non-specific fault indicator that can be triggered in a range of different circumstances."

"As regards the purported solution to the supposed "yellow light" issue adopted by commercial repairers, effecting a reflow correctly, to the required engineering standards and in a properly controlled static-safe environment requires the use of an infra-red BGA soldering station, which must be set up and programmed to run at very specific temperature profiles. Each such station costs tens of thousands of pounds.

Consequently, even if a yellow indicator/system shutdown were triggered by a soldering issue, it would be misleading for you to suggest to viewers that the basic solder reflow process you describe....is necessarily a reliable procedure when performed in that way, or that it can properly be done cheaply and quickly."

"It is standard practice for businesses in the electronics and many other consumer products sectors to provide free servicing/repairs only during the warranty period, but to charge for out of warranty repairs. It is therefore unfair to criticise Sony Computer Entertainment UK in this way."


Edited by Damsel, 11 February 2010 - 03:31 PM.


#30 JH99

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 09:39 AM

They both break down. Its fact. However I have rarely heard of PS3's breaking down, and out of the 10 or so friends I know personally who own one, mine is the only one that has broken. More of my friends have an xbox and ALL of them have had theirs break on them. I had a brand new PS3 delivered the very next day.

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 12:59 PM

They both break down. Its fact. However I have rarely heard of PS3's breaking down, and out of the 10 or so friends I know personally who own one, mine is the only one that has broken. More of my friends have an xbox and ALL of them have had theirs break on them. I had a brand new PS3 delivered the very next day.


True enough. I was merely highlighting the fact that the PS3 does have its problems.

Percentage wise, however, based on numbers of consoles sold, I would concede that the PS3 is probably the more reliable of the two. I'd also concede that the PS3 does more, straight out of the box, as it were.

It's just a shame that they're so damn expensive.

#32 Paradox

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 01:26 PM

It's just a shame that they're so damn expensive.


Indeed. I've just seen an advert selling the 360 for £99! That explains part of its success against the PS3 I reckon. Makes me feel a bit sad after what I paid for it all that time ago.
Still...I'm considering getting a PS3, I'm just not sure the games are there for it right now.

#33 JH99

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 02:40 PM

They weren't when it first came out. But now there are so many out there that are just brilliant. Little Big Planet, COD, GTA, MAG and soon Gran Turismo. I know some of those are on 360 too, that wasn't the point I was making. I'm sooooo looking forward to Gran Turismo. They always try to outdoo FORZA and they often do so. However FORZA alwyas comes back and beats GT.

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 03:08 PM

The PS3 is the clear choice :eek:
A bluray player and a mint console in one! where can you go wrong?

oh and built in Iplayer

Edited by Foster91, 12 February 2010 - 03:09 PM.


#35 LosingGrip

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 03:44 PM

Funny.. the ps3 had hdmi as standard from release date :D

you get what you pay for as they say


How long after the 360 was the PS3 released? Was it a couple of years? In which case they've got time to think of ways of making it 'better' than the 360.

I'm personally a Xbox person, had a PS1, but never really played it, due to games being so expensive and only having a paper round at the time, then got a Xbox and never looked back, never had a problem with that, 360 I've had a couple of problems since its release, disk drive went just outside warranty (grrr), and Ring of Death...should have paid...but they did it for free :eek:.

#36 King Scotts

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 04:57 PM

How long after the 360 was the PS3 released? Was it a couple of years? In which case they've got time to think of ways of making it 'better' than the 360.

I'm personally a Xbox person, had a PS1, but never really played it, due to games being so expensive and only having a paper round at the time, then got a Xbox and never looked back, never had a problem with that, 360 I've had a couple of problems since its release, disk drive went just outside warranty (grrr), and Ring of Death...should have paid...but they did it for free :eek:.


A while back MS said they have sold more 360's than Sony with the PS3. That is correct but the 360 had a head start, I only bought it(at the time) because the PS3 was delayed. Sony are catching up fast :D

Wonder if Apple will bring out a console. Remember that awful pippin thing!

http://en.wikipedia....e_Bandai_Pippin

Edited by Scotts, 12 February 2010 - 04:57 PM.


#37 Rich-Allen

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 05:00 PM

Hmm, the iStation or the iBox? :eek:

Would be doomed to fail IMO, cos it would be far too gimmicky, Apple should stick to the Ipod and Iphone.

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 05:04 PM

Off topic. I really think Apple could make a great console. Nintendo showed us that you don't need a lot of spec for a great bit of gaming.

Just think of an Apple OS on a console. You'd also have iTunes style store to buy games and so on.

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 05:12 PM

Off topic. I really think Apple could make a great console. Nintendo showed us that you don't need a lot of spec for a great bit of gaming.

Just think of an Apple OS on a console. You'd also have iTunes style store to buy games and so on.



They have it ... its called the Iphone - Itouch and soon to be Ipad. Along with the App store ..

Where have you been?

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Posted 12 February 2010 - 05:25 PM

They have it ... its called the Iphone - Itouch and soon to be Ipad. Along with the App store ..

Where have you been?


I forgot all about the iPad for a minute :eek:

#41 Rich-Allen

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Posted 13 February 2010 - 05:44 PM

Off topic. I really think Apple could make a great console. Nintendo showed us that you don't need a lot of spec for a great bit of gaming.

Just think of an Apple OS on a console. You'd also have iTunes style store to buy games and so on.


Nobody over the age of 12 cares about the Wii, and Nintendo knows this, which is why almost all first Party Nintendo games are extremely kid-friendly.

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Posted 13 February 2010 - 06:18 PM

Nobody over the age of 12 cares about the Wii, and Nintendo knows this, which is why almost all first Party Nintendo games are extremely kid-friendly.


RUBBISH!!!

The Wii appeals to people of all ages, it is the only games console which will get the whole family up and playing, and that is purely down to the innovative way of controlling the games. On xmas day my whole family were playing on it, even my gran so to say it doesnt interest anyone but a 12yr old is tosh.

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Posted 13 February 2010 - 06:35 PM

Nobody over the age of 12 cares about the Wii, and Nintendo knows this, which is why almost all first Party Nintendo games are extremely kid-friendly.


You're not including all of the party games that adults play? Or Wii-Fit, which despite being a huge success for Nintendo, is primarily aimed at youths & adults?

I own a Wii. I love it, it's great fun. My mum and dad own a Wii, they love it. My brother owns a Wii. We're all over 12.

In fact, everyone at my old work owned a Wii and used it often. And they were all over 12 too.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about I'm afraid.

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 06:22 PM

This is a tricky one. I am lucky enough to have a PS3 and an Xbox Elite.
I had the Xbox first and it was my first ever foray into gaming. I fell in love with online playing on COD4.
I found the game play and graphics excellent on the Xbox and managed to get a couple of guys at work to get one too.
Then I wanted Blu-Ray, but Xbox had just finished it's nightmare jaunt into the world of HD. So I bought a PS3 to purely play Blu-Ray on.
One of the guys at work had a PS3 too and it has ended up as the machine I use most.
I have voted PS3 because it scores over the Xbox in 2 different ways...
1) Blu-Ray
2) Free online gaming.

The Xbox didn't get my vote, despite the fact it handles parties/lobbies so much better than the PS3 and the graphics are frankly much better.
Anyway, if anyone wants to add me as a friend on either console, my gamertag is gledders191.

MW2 Rocks!

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 07:17 PM

I had an Xbox 360 for 2 years and sold it after it broke on me. I bought my PS3 and when I switched it on, I thought it was broken. I had got so used to the noise that the 360 made!

PS3 is the better all round machine. I have a 400GB HDD in mine and I have stacks of movie files stored on it. When I had my 360, you couldn't store movies on there unless they were downloaded from the MS Marketplace.

People go on about the 360, saying the games are better, but they are exactly the same. I can buy most of the 360 games for the PS3 and vice versa (obviously not counting the machine specific ones, but each console has them)

My online is free, I have wireless built in and a Blu Ray player built in.........no competition really :eek:

#46 carty23

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 08:19 PM

PS3.

#47 Wrighter20

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 09:53 PM

simply put the PS3 is much better value for money, and doesn't break as much :eek:

- Bluetooth
- Wireless
- quieter
- cooler
- Blu Ray
- DVD upscaling
- web browser
- movies

See where i'm going. I use mine as more of a media centre kind of thing and so is much better suited for me :D

and modern warfare 2 does rock!

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 10:14 PM

I have all three of this gens consoles.........

wii is better for parties.

ps3 is best for its bluray and build quality.

360 has best developed online services.

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 01:29 PM

Not that I'm adding petrol to a fire, but the PS3 will have The Getaway 3 :eek:. XBox won't.

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 01:32 PM

Not that I'm adding petrol to a fire, but the PS3 will have The Getaway 3 :eek: . XBox won't.


No one cares, it's not like The Getaway is any good anyway, just a pants GTA clone (and yes I have played it)




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