SC Will

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  1. Like I say, freedom of information request from last year, or may have been 2015... not sure. Doubtless it's changed since then, or incorrect facts were provided..
  2. One thing I know for sure, the station I work out of has no response or above, capable specials. Just this morning I received a DS email (Sent to myself and all others) reminding us of our duties to challenge unacceptable behaviour, from our colleagues. We were then reminded that BASIC drivers in the specials have NO authority to use blue lights, exceed the speed limit, or proceed through red lights whilst driving... I can only imagine a special with a basic permit has been caught doing one of the above.. I'm wondering - would something like this lead to dismissal, or a severe warning? I suppose it all depends on the reason for doing so....
  3. I don't particularly like either party.... but having seen who's in charge for the Tories and their manifesto... I must say I really would rather see Labour in power, May is nothing but a terrible old crank of a woman who has no idea how to serve this country.... "The UK needs to do more towards Terrorism".... didn't she say that? Remind me who was in power at the time? Her!!!!
  4. I think you'd be surprised, I've been with regulars who have been in the job 7 years plus and still haven't done a response driving course. I'm almost tempted to transfer across to Kent, despite the significant pay decrease (£25k versus nearly £30k in the Met) as it seems you have more chance of progression more quickly. With the Met it seems unless you want to spend literally your entire life doing the job you won't get to have most of the perks..... As I say, it was a FOI request from last year, the person more or less asked how many specials in the met were basic, or response or above drivers, of which the answer was 26 basic drivers and only 2 were response capable, i'll bet these were on central London (busy) boroughs too. On shift a few months ago, we had 2 IRV courses become available, they were spread around and offered to 4 teams, 3 of the teams all had response or drivers that weren't interested, the final team who I was on shift with, seized the opportunity, both courses were taken within about a minute of the skipper going "We have two IRV Courses available, if you'd like them make me aware now and i'll take your name". I recall reading something online, probably on this forum somewhere recently that said at one point specials were given response courses if they wanted them BUT (and it's a big one!) they had to fund them themselves, and they couldn't just buy a course for themselves, they had to buy a few, at a cost of roughly £2,000 each time.
  5. Regular I was out on shift with mid last week said he reckoned we'll all be routinely armed within 20 years, just the way he sees it going, at this rate of terrorism, i'm beginning to be inclined to agree, others I know say they feel it's likely to be far quicker than that. The most immediate issues to me are the cost of doing it, the cost of the training, and then the litigation and criminal proceedings that follow afterwards, compared to let's say the US, the UK is a joke country whereby any very slight overuse of force could land you with dismissal, and potentially even a custodial term, given that a firearms officer only has a mere second or two to make a decision about whether to shoot or wait, I think that is incredibly harsh, let's be honest, if you're putting a firearms officer in the situation where they're having to point a gun at you, it's quite likely there's a very good chance you could be taking someone else's life, either theirs, a colleague's or a member of the public's, to my mind that should give them instant justification. For lesser incidents, such as those that involve knives/machetes, I feel taser would be more suitable, however tazing someone pointing a gun at you is less than ideal, nor realistically sensible, what if it doesn't work? It's quite likely then you will be shot first... possibly fatally. Currently - let's assume I was fit enough, both physically and mentally to be a firearms officer, I wouldn't want to do it, initially when I was younger I had wanted to, now that i'm older and understand the potential repercussions, of which get more serious the more kit you get given, i'm less inclined. When society and law stops this nanny state nonsense we have become, then myself and perhaps i'm sure a lot of others may be interested, but right now, if officers are on gross misconduct charges because some fool doesn't stop for them on a bike, ends up crashing, and kills himself, and that's apparently their fault and they are the one's who's necks are on the line, I don't feel firearms officers are likely to get any better protection. If a criminal solely (by that I mean his own decision, nobody else's) chooses to take off from police, and dies as a result of his actions, and yet the police are blamed, what's it going to be like when the police shoot someone dead? If you don't know what i'm on about, watch the last episode of the Met on the BBC, skip to the bit about Henry Hicks, see what the family say, and all the people that attend the meeting afterwards held by commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, you'll see what I mean.
  6. One thing I find interesting, is something like only 26 specials in the entire MSC (of which there are something like 4,000-5,000 volunteers) are able to drive at even Basic level, and only 2 out of those 26 are trained to Response level, that may be out of date, but I recall reading a FOI request from someone who asked those questions sometime last year. In other forces such as Essex police, etc it seems specials are commonly able to drive cars, and a lot of them are also response trained. I'm MSC waiting on clearance to start training for the regs, but even most MSC are not even allowed to drive, even at basic level. My thinking here is that there will ordinarily always be a regular available to drive - in which case, what about incidents of terrorism? I received a DS email informing that most of the officers at the station i'm based out of are on aid in central london, therefore the ERT (Response team) for LT and ND shifts are very heavily depleted, what do they do then? Suppose you have 10 cars out, but only 2 cars are response trained? Seems rather daft, the other 8 vehicles would all have to be panda cars, unable to respond, that's assuming you get a shift of full officer turnout, which you usually won't for a few days after events such as these. So what do they do then? Only put out cars with response trained officers, of which there will be a very small number, and the specials (of which usually only 1-2 at maximum turn up for a shift end up having to do something else? foot patrol? what if they aren't IPS as most specials aren't? then what? I'm one of the most common response specials on my borough, rarely do any of the other specials go out as much as I do with ERT, they usually go with NTT for local disorder patrols. Just the other shift a regular asked me "How come you've not been in for the last few weeks?""How did you know""You're usually in with ERT a lot and i've not seen you in for ages". I'm by no means trying to brag, but it seems very noticeable that there's a lack of specials going with ERT at my nick, so common that when one single special doesn't go out on shift for a few weeks (serious medical emergency in the family followed by a uniform issue) it's noticeable. Point i'm getting at here - roughly half of the teams I usually go out with are response or above trained, the rest are only basic, so when half the team are on aid, what then, do they only take the basic drivers for aid? Otherwise you end up with very very few response capable officers... on any given shift.
  7. Compliant stops in the met is basic, to my knowledge.... basic drivers can ONLY make use of auxiliary emergency lighting equipment when stopping vehicles for compliance stops, and I believe also to protect the scene of an accident or road closure (i.e stopped flashing rear reds to indicate obstruction in the road further on).
  8. Stabs officer 3 times in the abdomen... "cleared of attempted murder".. what a joke of a justice system this has become... how on earth could anyone argue repeatedly stabbing someone isn't "attempted murder"? He's not a surgeon... or a paramedic.. he doesn't know where all the veins or arteries are...... hit one of those the PC's likely dead within minutes.
  9. It's people like this that do the service, and effort of everyone else a huge discredit....
  10. So what you're saying that is because they "crave attention" it makes it right for them to effectively waste police time? Any other person calls the police out, and just "wants a chat" would be severely warned about wasting police time, especially on a 999 line. But ringing police, stating you're going to kill yourself, just because you crave the attention, is allowed, and is not "wrong"? No wonder mental health patients keep doing it, the bloke I went to has had countless visits from police and ambulances, they should make their mind up, either they want help or they don't, what's the point in asking for help, then very reluctantly going to hospital, then trying to run off, then when police leave deciding you don't want to wait any longer and leaving, only to do the exact same thing a week later? Sorry but to me it's taking the ****, you're allowing MH patients to abuse and make a mockery of the service, if the police came out for everyone who "wanted a chat" and "craved attention" there'd be nobody left to do any policing on the streets. Those that 100% GENUINELY want help, and are prepared to wait 1/2 hours in hospital to be seen by MH teams i have all the time in the world for, given a very close relative of mine has just been through this process. Those that continually abuse the system, ask for help, then try to run away from said help at every given chance, are abusing the system and making a mockery out of it... you can't claim they need help, when given every single chance to get help they refuse it, and run off, or put up a fight and refuse to go to hospital... it doesn't make any sense.
  11. I'm on the fence with this one, I don't personally feel there is an offence committed as I don't believe (someone please correct me where I'm wrong) there is a duty for someone to contact you to advise you have left personal belongings at their address. Yes, it would be considered goodwill and courteous, and something that the majority of people would do, but I don't believe there is an offence, the offence is almost complete apart from the fact of "dishonesty", they haven't "dishonestly" appropriated the property as it was left there by the person, not taken by the homeowner/resident from the person without their knowledge, to my mind that means no offence committed. On that note - last summer a Virgin Media guy come round to install a broadband line, phone line and install a TIVO box, upon leaving we noticed he had left his glasses here, we put them to the side thinking he'd probably realize and call back to the address later on or some point during the week to collect them. Are you going to try and tell me we have a "duty" to inform him (or the company as we did not have his personal number) that he left his sunglasses here? Somehow I'm very doubtful on that one. I don't personally believe there's any offence whatsoever, it was through the owner's negligence in "safekeeping" their item if you will, rather than us actually stealing them from him, as far as I'm concerned that discharges us from any liability whatsoever. I'm not sure whether they've been picked up or not as it's been nearly a year, but I would doubt it. Sorry, i'm saying no offence here....
  12. I'm not sure how aware you are, but you can section people under section 136 of the mental health act, but it MUST be in a public place, their home address is not a public place. I've been told by regulars that officers used to attend the address, ask them to step outside "for a chat", then grab them, cuff them and section them as they are now technically outside on the street, apparently we got told off for doing this and so are no longer allowed to do it. It does make me wonder, had he refused to go to hospital, what could we have done? We couldn't section him as he's in his own house....
  13. Less than an hour?! I got no training whatsoever on mental health, but it's the sort of thing you just pick up as you go.. talking to them to find out what's causing it.... "How long have you been depressed...?" "the last 6 years", "what happened 6 years ago?" "My wife died".... poor bloke jumped up off the sofa, ran to the kitchen, got his hand on a knife and tried to stab himself in the chest with it before me and my two colleagues (Regulars with me tagging along for the night shift as a special) grabbed hold of him and wrestled it off him, he was promptly in cuffs after that. Spent about 2 hours talking to him at his home address, before an ambulance arrived and very reluctantly he agreed to go to hospital and speak to mental health teams, and by very reluctantly I mean he basically asked us "If I refuse you can section me and make me go, can't you?" to which of course the answer was yes. We got to hospital and then spent the best part of 2, possibly 2 and a half hours with him changing his mind every 10 minutes about whether he wanted to be there or not, we had to keep reminding him that if he refused to remain there (as he had gone voluntarily) we would just section him there and then (as a hospital corridor is a public place). Eventually after him trying to make a run for it, about another 1 hour later he was taken to the mental health unit and left in their care, transpires he was there literally the evening before we visited him at his home address, was told he'd have to wait 2 hours for a bed to become available, decided he didn't want to wait and then left and went back home again, he also said he didn't want to go onto a particular ward (which he'd be going to anyway as that's the ward that treats mental health) because "it was full of old people".... Those are the sort of mental health people that get my back up, those that genuinely want help I am happy to sit there for hours helping, but those that constantly change their mind, don't appreciate the hours you've spent with them trying to help them sort their own life out, and don't even bother giving the system more than 2 hours to find him a bed, really annoy me at best. A person in my immediate family has had "bad thoughts" and acted on them, and frankly had it not been her taking one type of pill instead of the other she'd be dead by now, but the difference being she at least acknowledged she needed help and seeked it out, she is now more or less back in the right frame of mind and happy again. I don't want to come across as being "naive" or "arrogant", but I can't fathom why you'd ring police to tell them you were about to kill yourself (he actually called police direct to say this!), then when they arrive not let them help you, constantly change your mind, and try and kill yourself there and then in their presence, then when you finally get to hospital you try and do a runner for the exit, lash out and punch the wall in frustration and then eventually after a number of hours very reluctantly agree to see the mental health teams, if you were so hell-bent on killing yourself, you'd do it, wouldn't you? You wouldn't ring 999 to tell them you're about to do it.
  14. Very much in agreement on this... as well as policing on the cheap (in terms of specials) this seems like medical treatment services on the cheap, as someone else put it "paper over the cracks", using the specials to fill the holes in the ambulance service that should never have existed in the first place. I get it's down to the whole budget thing, but it seems like us police are called out for everything, why is sitting there for 4 hours talking to someone in their home about how depressed they are a police matter and not a NHS matter? I don't mind doing it - so long as they genuinely want help, but i've had some calls which really irk me.... an example is as follows: Late one Friday night, call comes in from dispatch for any unit free to attend an S grade call to an address about 10 miles away from our location for a "concern for safety", by that they literally just meant "knock on the door and check they're all ok".... dispatcher put it as "they've rung and asked if we can go, apparently they are unable to attend, assuming they've even made it out of base to their ambulance that is"... by that he meant it came across as if they just couldn't be bothered to go and instead decided we should attend, for some reason, to check on the welfare of THEIR patient. Shall we start calling ambulances out the next time someone is robbed but not injured? seems a bit of a joke, everything seems to be palmed off to police to deal with. Yes, the NHS are drastically underfunded, but we're in the same boat, arguably so are a lot of public services. Also, on an unrelated note - seems every single time I get a hospital guard (of which i've had two so far) they always try and do a runner! Every single time! Both times i've ended up legging it up the corridor after them.. one bloke lost it and punched the wall next to me, the other time the female realized she wasn't getting out and reluctantly came back to her bed... maybe I just have bad luck.
  15. Ouch! Reminds me of the blisters I had during OST when we did the punching strikes on the soft pads, my knuckles became blistered from repeatedly striking the pads, eventually the skin broke and the knuckles began to bleed which was a pain in the a**.