HMService

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  1. If I have any advice for Specials or new regulars that I think is particularly useful it's this- Don't get into something you won't finish. Don't tell someone to pick up litter they dropped unless you are willing to write the ticket. Don't start policing bad behaviour unless you see an offence and are willing to deal with it. Spitting on the floor? Do you really want to be left wondering what to do next if the little oik tells you to foxtrot Oscar ? You want to be that special that brought a 15 year old boy into a busy custody suite because he wouldn't wipe up his spit? Or would you rather be the officer that backed down in public and didn't act after making an ultimatum ? Pick your fights. Not only will it stop you coming off as officious you will also make a fool of yourself a lot less.
  2. 22 years service:P Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  3. Interesting what people think is and isn't acceptable. I'm a 22 year reg who is an Inspector and personally, if a special had passed the same exams as me I'd have no problem whatsoever with them authorising a S 18 search. There are other things I do which I'd get precious about but that ...fill your boots if you have the law training....
  4. If the search requires the removal of a hat, that is more than jacket outer coat and gloves and you should conduct the search somewhere out of the sight of the public within the guidelines PACE lays out.
  5. Then you shouldn't be asking this on this forum at all.
  6. I have found my candle lit lantern to be entirely fit for purpose. It has custom fitted "shutters" for sneaking up on miscreants and vagabonds. It can also be installed on a bill hook type pole to provide all round illumination for searches or gaining attention by swinging in smog. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  7. You will also notice when being driven to and from the set they are clearly marked as not a genuine Police vehicle.
  8. If you haven't already try ultra violet/ sun bed( with the prerequisite barrier protection of course). It was the only thing that helped mine when I had it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  9. Ok this has been 10 days with very little response and is indeed a realistic prospect that this could happen to you. I can see that this really would be one of those "OMGWTF DO I DO" moments so I will tell you what I think you should be thinking about and what your priorities are. In essence this is one of those very high risk moments that you need to be switched on. Primarily - You were sent to a noisy party that is full of people not a stabbing and yet you have found one- No one has reported it yet. It's very likely VERY recent. This means your offender who is likely armed is still VERY nearby. Your priorities in order of importance are:- 1) Protecting the public - Your biggest threat right now is your stabbed/possibly dying victim. 2)Protecting yourself so you can achieve objective 1 3) Locating the offender so you can achieve objective 1 in the short term. 4)Gathering evidence that would lead to the successful prosecution of offenders to achieve objective 1 in the long term. I hope it will be patently clear that you can't do much alone. Your actions in order to achieve your objectives are :- 1) Create a safe space for you and the victim. If people are present who will help you direct that they start administering first aid. You are in a crowd- Position yourself so you cant be attacked from behind if possible. Until you know it's safe stay on your feet-Try not to be the one crouching over the victim doing first aid- You have other things to do. 2)Call up and let them know it is urgent. Give the key pieces of information keep it accurate, brief and clear. I would suggest something like. " AB123 Urgent assistance required, details to follow, over". This will inform FCR and everyone else on the talkgroup they need to give you room and attention-When you are told to go ahead, "ABC123 I am inside number 1 the street, Sandford and have an unconscious female bleeding heavily from multiple stab wounds to her arms and torso, she is in a serious deteriorating condition, life is at risk. Approximately 100 youths present, offender unidentified but suspected still at scene and potentially armed. Can I have an ambulance, supervisory and sufficient resources to contain witnesses and potential suspect, over." Now there is a lot more that you could say but you have there in a couple of sentences conveyed the dangers, the issues and your requests. Were you working for me, I do not want you "Calling CID" or "Conducting searches". Your role right here and now- Is keep the girl alive and answer the questions that are about to get bombarded on you. If you get time update control with exactly where in the house you are. Make sure the doors are open so your colleagues and the ambo can get in to you. Hold the fort, keep everyone alive (including you), give the updates asked of you and wait for the PS, the Inspector and everybody they can muster to descend on you. In brief look at what the most important things are and try to set the wheels in motion to achieve them. Your role in this situation is largely information passer and first aider and bodyguard for everyone around you. HMS
  10. Well the doctrine of transferred malice actually relates to men's rea relative to a single actus reus. For example Bill throws a brick at Bob and misses him but breaks a window. The mens rea for assault does not support criminal damage etc. The question about evidence is not quickly answered and depends on what type of evidence it is. For example physical forensic evidence and admissions gained from a suspect have entirely different sets of rules... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  11. There's quite a bit of misinformation and guesswork in this thread.... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  12. If I recall correctly- His own garden will be a private place but he cant just trespass in someone else's to evade search as you have suggested- If a person was found in someone else's garden as a trespasser etc S.1 would apply..... I say this without having dug into any recent case law so will add the caveat -Check the current legislation! Rgds HMS
  13. We've just had a bit of a debate on it-Scroll up....
  14. Joined at 25.
  15. I am somewhat perplexed about this belief that Specials and PCs receive the same training...Do most of you believe this? To give you an idea why I think it's so bizarre- I have 6 officers currently under my supervision who are all students. Some are FIP , some are not, some have been extended etc. The training they receive both prior to FIP and after is intensive and all of them have found it very challenging. Managing their stress is part of the requirements I put on my supervisors. We have had long standing specials in the past that simply did not meet the criteria, although I must say on the whole training Specials is easier for us as they have foundation skills that others don't have. Is this belief that SC and PC training is the same common to all of you? Rgds HMS