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  1. Again I'd agree. I wouldn't like to say "All specials shouldn't have TASERS" because there will be some officers out there who have a wealth of skills that they bring to the table that mean they would be fine. I saw some great community policing work being done in Iraq by soldiers. If one of those guys or girls can coolly deal with angry people and choose the most appropriate response in Tikrit, why not in the UK as a Special with a taser or even a sidearm if it comes to it. Each candidate should be assessed on their own individual merits in my view. Beaker's point is entirely valid and says a lot about his/her maturity and wider view. -Knowing you have a skills gap is normally one step away from filling it. But it would be wrong to not take into account there are people who have relevant skills from outside the Police and Specials who have developed themselves over time and acquired them. Beaker for example doesn't want a TASER because he thinks he lacks skill A....I would presume he is, having recognised that, going to cultivate it. So when he does why shouldn't I write him up for TASER training if there is a place? Just my thoughts, but for me it's all about the skillset and personal behaviours. The SC tag on the shoulder is largely irrelevant. HMS
  2. Absolutely Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  3. I'd strongly advise against tasing a horse - that isn't going to end well....[emoji24] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  4. It's much more likely as an AFO you are going to be confronted with a close range situation rather than someone in the cross hairs of a rifle. It is those high pressure situations where we need officers who stay calm and utilise excellent communication skills, knowing just how far they can push the safety margins before using life threatening force. If you are pointing a firearm at an armed person the objective is to preserve life, primarily of others but secondarily the person presenting the threat. Just shooting someone because they have a gun is not what we do. The objective is not solely to remove the threat to the officers. If it was we would likely be using much safer tactics.
  5. Bodycam is in my view an essential piece of kit and I'd agree you should have one. TASER would be useful likewise if you have the maturity to not base your defensive tactics around it. I think in due course you will likely get one. Unfortunately there are a lot of officers ruled by their amygdala in stressful situations, and the harm they can do to all of us is huge. In essence I find myself suspicious of those officers who think they NEED Taser. I think that is because it conveys an impression of reliance on one situational piece of kit. If you give scared people guns, lots of people are going to get shot.
  6. Please tell me that's a joke right??? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  7. Damian, There are likely ex-specials turned regular here. If you feel your training is the same as theirs I would suggest you speak to them- You may be surprised. With regard to you/anyone else needing TASER, I type this having in the last hour returned from a reported knife fight between males and yes I arrived first. I don't have a TASER either, nor have I ever had one- I am not authorised to carry. I am in exactly the same boat as everyone else here with the difference that I Police a minimum of 40hrs a week and I go to almost all the most violent jobs on my patch which is a very wide urban area with a number of active OCG's, and I do just fine without one- I have other tactical options and have been doing the job for 22 years without the TASER option in my repertoire. TASER is a situational tool. It is not much use in the middle of a fight- I wonder what situations you think a TASER would have stopped the brawl that ensued... Most regulars don't have them and exposure for exposure to danger, by hours per week and days per year and likelihood of assignment,for a regular I continue to feel is likely to far exceed that even of the most highly houred Special. I don't expect Constables or even most Sergeants to think beyond what tools they feel would assist them in doing their jobs. The public perception issue though IS one of huge strategic importance to us as an organisation. I personally am fairly blaise about TASERS and their usage- (they approximate to batons in my mind if not in the continuum of force) and as such I have little to no reservations about most/all officers being issued with them. However, I do realise that our relationship with the public might be compromised if our TASER deployments went through the roof due to general issue and the public equated it with routine arming. While the public remain unsupportive we walk a very narrow line in increasing what is perceived our use of force capability. That on the other hand does concern me as the good will of the public is worth taking some strategic risks for. You may perceive the "argument" as "wearing thin", but with respect it is not for you to say. That is a strategic command decision and you are a community based Special Constable with a tactical view of policing limited to your experience. One of the things that does make me a little twitchy is officers that really seem to WANT Taser. Then they start talking about taking it home. Then the situations that they think it would have helped, and it doesn't fit with my view of when it's appropriate to use..... I start wondering why... Your comment about using it/having it to prevent a brawl- Again it makes me think ...No not yet.... Not for that officer, and one of the things I do is decide who on my teams gets trained and who doesn't. An officer that sees TASER as one of a number of tactical options and calmly draws it/holsters it as appropriate to the unfolding situation is the one I write up for it. The officer that sees it as a defence to violence less so. I'm afraid I take our relationship with the public very seriously. When I dictate to officers about when and how they use force, those instructions are orders. I give those instructions with the benefit of many years of experience of dealing with some very, very violent individuals combined with my sense of duty to the public we protect. Those orders are backed up with the seniority of my rank and the acceptance of my vicarious responsibility for the actions of my team. Politely put- If you really want a TASER, please don't tell me/us public perception doesn't matter or argue about what you should be using it for, because someone like me will stop you ever getting one. Until you allow us to teach you and you can be seen to have the cool maturity to stick to that training under pressure you won't be given one. Meanwhile your peers around you who are willing to learn will be trained and given that extra tactical option to use when they have need of it. Kind Regards HMS
  8. We all start off feeling the same way. Don't worry about it but DO remember when you are the guy that's been there ages and the new officer is struggling to find his/her place and make them welcome.
  9. I suggest you speak to the shift skipper. Push yourself forward and ask him/her to involve you/make you useful/crew you with a solo regular. -When things get busy and you are new its easy to fade into the background while everyone rushes around you. Be keen and friendly and high profile- Get noticed and muck in and after a very short time you will hopefully be being viewed as a deployable asset. If you find yourself feeling awkward because you have no clue what to do, go and make a round of teas... You have no idea how much respect a little act like that generates and people will remember you pitching in and try to pull you further in to whatever the team is doing. If you need any advice please feel free to PM or repost. Rgds HMS
  10. Just pulling your leg:P
  11. Or perhaps he needs to get his poor pandy's involved in some real work to harden the skin a tad
  12. Of course. I find my cape is invaluable for covering a lady's modesty and my whistle for summoning assistance when in pursuance of wastrels and vagabonds.
  13. I have an ebony truncheon with convenient hide wrist strap. I don't need a holder as there is a special pocket in my trousers that extends down the side of my right leg.
  14. How did the machete get to the Police Station without an offence being committed???
  15. All, Please do be clear on this- You can use information acquired from anywhere. There are rules about how you go about acquiring information but if its volunteered to you it can be at the least utilised as intelligence. I would be worried if an officer heard a child say "Dad said he was going to hit mummy when the Police left" but an officer felt they couldn't act upon/use that! Generally in any case volunteered information from suspects is valid and admissible-If you think its valuable, record it!