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    Hypocritical behaviour undermines our credibility with the public. Habitual illegal behaviour leaves you open to blackmail. I don't like the way "quick sniff" makes light of this. She was a criminal in uniform - good riddance. In respect of perjury and beating up a member of the public... Those will also get you sacked and likely jailed. Suggesting they are somehow permissible is defamatory and discreditable. If you were one of my Specials and you behaved like that or said things to the public such as you have written here I would discipline you and seek your dismissal from service. There is no place for advocacy of officers using illegal drugs or suggestion that the crimes you mentioned are OK in the modern police. They aren't.
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    It went incredibly well! 12 and a half hours of awesome! And first arrest. So happy days!
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    Here's a quite comprehensive Wiki page all about them http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land Do pay particular attention to the sub heading entitled 'Freemen Successes' it will tell you all you need to know http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land#Freeman_successes
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    Interestingly "Hello officer I've just smoked a ton of weed" is now very much not sufficient grounds for a search. This does not give you a reasonable belief you will find more cannabis. This is why smelling of the stuff is insufficient likewise. Gang members like to carry drugs and weapons. They do not like the thought however of getting caught with them. It never ceases to amaze me that neither the government nor the public ever figure into their thinking that criminals will say whatever they need to to further their cause. That also includes saying whatever it takes to make it harder for Police officers to catch them...... Known gangsters can now safely routinely arm themselves. And if your opposition arm themselves you need to do the same. The public and HMG will get what they have asked for and when they are sickened enough they will ask us to step back in and stem the rising tide again. It never changes....
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    Too many people bang on about putting ADVOKATE into every statement. It's not needed. It should go into statements where it's needed only. Shoving it into every statement shows a lack of understanding about what it actually relates to.
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    I am well aware of the anecdotal man in the pub who likes to say all the Police do is stop people for speeding and avoid dealing with real crimes... I would much rather engage with some tangible evidence of that, rather than a presumption based on the infinite wisdom of some ignoramus in the pub embittered about his drink drive conviction. For example the vast majority of officers on duty at any given time are not equipped for speed control in any case. Those speed control operations are usually targeted operations being enforced due to public complaints and local concerns such as proximity to a school etc. I would suggest the vast majority of speeding offences nationally are detected by those bright yellow road side box cameras and not the Police at all..... The cynical can make up whatever they like in an attempt to discredit the Police and try to bolster support for their biased point of view, but I'd like to see the very easily researchable evidence to back those assertions up. Realistically the vast majority of our resources are being poured into safeguarding the vulnerable and mitigating harm and controlling risk. Speed campaigns are rare. So...show me the evidence. Then craft me a fair critique of the Police and you will find some very open ears and a powerful willingness to improve.
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    For goodness sake, what is with all these fanciful scenarios and I'd do this, I'd do that?? Keep it simple people. Make a requirement under the RTA for the owner to provide you with details of driver. If he refuses THIS IS NOT OBSTRUCT POLICE. Go back get an get NIP and Requirement for name and address of driver and serve it personally on him. If he refuses he GETS REPORTED FOR SUMMONS for failing to supply details. Its not rocket science. Sent from my PLK-L01 using Tapatalk
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    Quite! The State and their armed agents will enforce the law as they see it whether the person consents to it or not. They have, put simply, no choice! The FTOL pseudolegal fad is somewhat detached from reality and whilst uses words that sit in the legal vocabulary, they assert they have different meanings. In their world a turnip is in fact a Honda Civic 3 door hatchback. My advice would be to have a quick google on the basis to the constitution of the U.K. and it's history and what a common law jurisdiction is (as opposed to a civil law one). It's massively interesting (and totally relevant) stuff!
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    If you come across this drivel on SM etc and fancy some fun ask the following, as I've never got an answer yet. 2 part question 1. You usually refer to the Magna Carta, in simple terms is this not a list of Do's and Dont's. What can be done and not done? That were agreed, written down and signed by the Sovereign King of the day. 2 Are not laws and statutes of today, sets of rules, do's and dont's, can and cant's, that are agreed, written down and signed by the Sovereign Queen (Royal Ascent) of the day? I've Never got a reply. Sent from my PLK-L01 using Tapatalk
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    The subject had been done many times on here. It's all nonsense. Just ignore and get on with the job.
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    No fear there, we've been told "Don't be a coat hanger". With the warning if we are we'll be doing patrols with the trainer to make sure we do what we're supposed to!
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    Thanks for all the suggestions, very useful. First duty is Saturday, figure working a Bank Holiday Saturday night in a coastal resort should be a suitable baptism.
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    Hi, I recently undertook a voluntary refresher course around our powers for Stops & Search, actually run by the TSG. They love stop and search, and the guys were so passionate about it. However, some of the answers they gave when I asked difficult questions, I kind of disagreed with... but to be polite I didn't really argue any further. So, here's the scenario: Billybob and Honey Boo Boo are standing outside at around 11pm on the street. Billybob is smoking a cigarette, which you have just seen him pull out of a brand new packet with cellophane on, and you are on foot patrol walking in his direction. As you pass him, you smell a strong smell of cannabis. You approach Billybob and ask if he's smoking the reefer, and he just stares at you and says nothing. You ask what he's doing in the area, and he looks at you and says nothing. Every single question you ask, he does not respond and just looks at you. I don't think this gives you reasonable grounds to search. I put this scenario to the TSG guys in various different formats... such as Billybob and Honey Boo Boo in a car and someone tells you there is a large amount of cash they can see in the car, so they have reported it to you cos it seems suspicious etc. And the same again, you approach and they just look at you through the window and say nothing. So... TSG told me "That's suspicious behaviour though isn't it? Why won't they answer your questions, you're just chatting to them and they won't even talk? That's suspicious behaviour... is it related to drugs? Maybe he's on something and he can't talk. I think you have reasonable grounds to search based on them refusing to answer any questions etc. My thoughts: I am a big believer in being able to exercise your rights. You have the right to say absolutely nothing, regardless of if it's a guy in a costume coming up to you with a big hat, or just a stranger on the street. The answer they provided to me saying that being completely silent while maintaining eye contact is suspicious is something I largely disagree with. Why should being silent be suspicious?? I have watched probably EVERY YouTube video of these so calls Freeman Of The Land type people, or the people who get stopped by police and just wind down the window ever so slightly or choose to say nothing, and half the time they end up winning, and the other half they get their window smashed in. I think the TSG blokes couldn't really see where I was coming from, since they're obviously full time officers, and I consider myself more on the side of a civilian... so I think like a civilian. And I advocate fully people not cooperating with the police if it is their absolute right not to do so, because that's their choice. So in summary, what would you do? (Sorry I find it hard to articulate my thoughts into black and white text so this probably doesn't make much sense).
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    I urge the contributors of this thread to get back on topic and to resist from discussing other subject matters, this thread is becoming messy and hard to follow.
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    Touché! And on that note I think we're done.
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    What happens is a supervisor monitors the mention of a suspected terrorist and starts asking lots of questions. The supervisor will conduct a risk assessment and probably direct enquiries to be made with the person filming asking them what their intentions are. If it is known from the outset that it isn't a terrorist, it's just some oddball with a Police fetish etc they will likely be ignored. If being ignored leads to them upping the ante (this is about attention seeking after all) and they start getting very close to the officer to provoke a reaction, the officer may begin to feel threatened and harassed and that may lead to the suspicion of an offence by the officer concerned. Any person who gets off on making another person feel frightened or hunted for their own enjoyment is a very unpleasant individual. Direct threats have been made by ISIS toward military and police personnel. Acting in a way whereby a soldier or Police Officer might be made to think they are being stalked for personal amusement is in my opinion sick. Looking out for hostile reconnaissance to prevent another Lee Rigby has been very much at the fore of every officers mind. The recent loss of PC Keith Palmer should be enough evidence alone for you to understand why people doing what you do endangers officers. Regardless of what you think of the Police, I hope you can see why this is pretty reprehensible.
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    Being anti-social or even obnoxious isn't an offence. So person A says something that person B doesn't like. It happens every day what has that got to do with the Police? You asked virtually the same question about someone singing the national anthem outside a kebab shop... I'll ask you one..... You live in Swansea and enjoy playing the guitar. Dave lives in Leeds. You have never met Dave but see a post on a musical news group on the internet that he has written explaining why ukulele's are better than guitars. You call the Police. When they arrive they ask why you have called them. What do you say?
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    well I think its pretty well established that it will happen and the security forces have a good idea who it will be. one would hope they have a better plan than try and shoot them after they have already killed 50 people, but I'm not convinced they do
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    I'll be sure to send him your way - you can act as his appeals lawyer.
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    What is it with the Sun and having a go at cops recently? The above article is why I am extremely selective these days about what news outlets I read/watch/listen to!
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    To be fair I have difficulty walking past these without having a go. The 5 year old is just an excuse!
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    Thats the conditions of your service, if Police Officers cannot control themselves enough not to take drugs, what chance have they of controlling themselves in other situations. No place for drugs in a uniformed service.
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    I wish they would make the paper itself softer and more absorbent, and then it might better serve the function most people would use it for.
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    BBC: Senior officers back Plymouth tea break police Senior police officers have defended a group of officers at the centre of controversy over a seaside tea break. Eight officers from Plymouth Police E section emergency response team were pictured in The Sun on Plymouth Hoe with a headline: Thin Brew Line. "Policing is full of wonderful real people... and all need to eat and drink!," Chief Constable Olivia Pinkney of Hampshire Police tweeted. Devon and Cornwall Police were unavailable for immediate comment. The paper pointed out the officers had stopped for 45 minutes at The Coffee Shack, which under police regulations they are allowed to do during an eight-hour shift. But officers took exception to the "anti-police" coverage with Chief Constable Simon Edens of Northamptonshire Police, tweeting: "I encourage all officers & staff in @NorthantsPolice to take their break when they can, in or outside their station. #takeabreak #wellbeing." Chief Constable Andy Cooke of Merseyside Police tweeted: "Shock horror. Police officers taking a break and drinking tea. In public! Brilliant scoop. Makes you proud of the British press." Plymouth Police E section emergency response team tweeted: "We have been inundated with messages of support.As a thankyou the brews are on us if you are ever in our part of the world.#brewsforblues." "I was as upset about the way it was used as anyone and it was unfair but the officers did not help themselves," he said. A Coffee Shack spokesman said: "If anything it was good PR for the police - at least you can go up and talk to them which you can't if they're passing in a patrol car." No-one was available for immediate comment from The Sun. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-39608253
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    This topic has been locked for various reasons: A) It has gone majorly off topic from the original post. B) PS.Com discourages discussing personal matters relating to prosecutions or complaints. C) I feel this thread is going to spiral out of control and/or cause offence to members.
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    I'm not making the accusations- it is for you to prove your case. You are dodging evidencing your claims I feel because you can't. It doesn't work that way. You want to convict us? Prove your case. The crime statistics are all published- provide the ones that prove your point- Google will help....
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    Police sidestepping child rape on an industrial scale.... Once again...the evidence please, and please have the fairness to distinguish between the Police and CPS. But in any case, stop with the wild accusations and show me your data, then we can proceed with some sense of fairness rather than bias and Wild assumption.
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    Minor infractions of the law are ubiquitous. As said above, one, and notably police supervision, need to balance available resource against risk. If all your available resource had arrested people for being drunk in a public place and you dialled 999 to report someone having been stabbed with a knife and nobody was available, would it be justifiable? I imagine not and this is part of the nexus of discretion. The Judiciary can also apply their discretion when, for example, an unconditional discharge is handed down. "who says what the law and what isnt [sic]" is inviting a complex answer. Parliament spits out statute, it is interpreted by judges (of which differing rules of statutory interpretation are applied) and these decisions may be modified on appeal later on by other judges. Put simply, it is by no means as binary as you would suggest.
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    I hope you will forgive me but your question is a good reflection of the general naivete of the general public. How many Police Officers do you think there are? If there is only one Police Officer (not unusual) in a busy town centre with shop liftings, anti social behaviour, lost children, drunks a confused elderly person, people riding their bikes in contravention of local by-laws, dropping litter etc etc... What do you want that Police Officer to do? It can't be all of it as there is only one officer - You prioritise. Then having done so answer me this- Is it ok for the police to do this. -To just refuse to enforce a law wholesale and if so how can they chose which laws to ignore and which to enforce and isn't that the job of our law makers? How did you choose? Were you right? Did you have the right to do what you did? Should you be punished? What do you think?
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    Discretion is a wonderful tool, as is being reasonable. For instance, If I see a father with his young daughter cycling down an empty pavement I probably wouldn't ask them to cycle on the road as it's probably safer for them on the pavement and realistically a little girl and her dad aren't gonna do much damage cycling at 2MPH. The problems occur when the local Deliveroo guy is cycling at 30MPH down a busy main pavement on his super tricked up road bike... That's clearly dangerous and he'd be told to cycle on the road. You have to weigh up Pro's and Cons and Public Interest, if littering is a problem in my ward I will punish littering more severely than if it weren't. I know officers who move on homeless people begging, I don't - infact I don't think I ever have, unless they're being aggressive I see no problem in them asking for help, people set up JustGiving pages asking for free money all the time! Is it worth my time, is it that big of a deal, do the public care? All things to take into consideration.
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    I'm not saying its not down to those things, rather that he was badly let down
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    Congratulations! Knocked down two birds with one stone - first and first arrest. Top job!
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    Ask them why they called us in the first place If it's DV related then I'm doing more ie. taking it out of the victim's hands and arresting them anyway or a quick negative statement. For most other offences then a PNB entry if possible
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    In at the deep, excellent! A few officer safety things for Night time economy patrols: Never go off on your own - you will likely be assigned a mentor PC, stick to them like glue. When dealing with an incident, face your colleague dealing with the other involved party. This can be a bit tricky, but try and pull your involved's attention away from the other so you're facing your colleague. Don't be afraid to call for assistance. It can be daunting asking for help on the radio, but don't risk you or your colleagues safety by not asking for support. Not really officer safety related, but make sure you've had a decent amount of food to eat. These shifts are draining as anything and you may not get a proper chance to eat until you get home. Make sure you have your pockets filled with gloves as well - there tends to be a lot of blood on these shifts, a bit of sanitising hand gel is also a good idea. And of course, enjoy it! Let us know how it goes
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    It alright tbf most of them aren't just Metspeak they are used in quite a few other forces just not all of them (though it would be a little amusing having a new special come in and talk to me about CAD's on the screen, think I would be the only one on my team that knew what they were talking about) Its crazy how different we all speak all over the country despite doing pretty much the same job.
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    Good on you lad, you'll do fine, I remember my first shift... I refused a first arrest because I was nervous as hell, and worried about what the grounds for the arrest were, and the entire booking in process, in the end we didn't end up nicking the bloke but we accompanied him to hospital, which was my first ambulance ride with another special and the paramedics. Since then, I had an arrest stolen from me by a regular after a FTS pursuit (Fail To Stop), taser officers jumped out and ordered the driver out, I slapped the cuffs on and we lead him back to the van, I turned and said to my colleague "My first arrest!"... he then decided to immediately caution the suspect and read him the offences he was under arrest for (of which there were several, would have been a good arrest to get!), got back to the nick and he booked him in... I was gutted! If you get the opportunity to get an arrest, grab it, your colleagues should most definitely come in to custody with you if you ask them to and just to help you if you need a hand with the booking in procedure. Joining the Specials is the best thing i've ever done, it's made me realize how dull every other job i've ever had is, i'm now going through the recruitment process for the regulars, and just passed my Day 2 assessment, so now undergoing vetting and just need to get my CKP, then should get a training start date. When I first started I was very eager, I had to wait at least 2 months from attestation to my first shift, had to have multiple inductions as the Sergeants were never free for long enough to give me my full borough induction in one go.... which really delayed my first shift, if you're anything like I was, you'll be absolutely fine! Some tips for you: Ask plenty of questions, if you are unsure of anything, always ask. If you aren't sure what powers and procedures there are for a set thing, just ask someone more experienced, don't blag it or just guess as you could find yourself in trouble, all you have to do is ask. Write any important details down in your PNB, VRM of any vehicles you stop, description of suspects, contact details for witnesses, names of people wanted on recall, or WM (Whiskey Mike, or "Wanted Missing"), etc. Make sure you have a spare battery on you for your radio, I usually carry two spares when i'm out on shift, they have a habit of dying in just a couple of hours! Not sure if your force requires you to wear BWV (Body Worn video), if it does, make sure you don't forget it! My force requires me to wear it, even as a Special, without it you could "come a cropper" as the saying goes.. Take some chocolates/biscuits/sweets in with you if you can, usually goes down well! Try to talk to the public, or make the occasional funny remark, but obviously nothing you may consider even slightly offensive. Also, just for your info, here's some common slang terms you'll possibly hear, and what they mean: PNC - Police National Computer - Database of vehicles, people, you can run a name, or a vehicle registration plate or (I think!) the VIN number through it, to find if it's been reported LOS (Lost or Stolen), etc. MDT - Mobile Data Terminal - The small computers most police vehicles have, built into the centre console usually, some police vehicles do not have them fitted, so you'd run PNC/CAD checks over the radio, these computers allow to you view current assigned incidents (CADs), accept new CADs, display a map, show your route to a call, run names and vehicle plates through the PNC, and other functions. CAD - Computer Aided Dispatch, this is basically just an incident report, that is created by a CAD operator, who will then grade the call based on the information supplied by the informant, all the details of the call are usually on the CAD, i.e the informant's name and number, description of the incident, any suspects, time the call came in, who (which unit) is assigned, etc. LOS - As above, Lost or Stolen - Vehicle reported usually stolen, by an occupier of a home, although sometimes it can be spontaneous, on the street, had that happen to me before in the middle of a foot chase! (WM) Whiskey Mike - Wanted Missing, if someone is Whiskey Mike they are wanted for something, usually an offence or a string of offences, or it may just be for recall to prison. PNB - Pocket Notebook - I'm sure you know what that is! PND - Penalty Notice for Disorder - In my force these are narrow but very long (in terms of height) books, these are used for things such as fines for petty crimes. IRV (Incident Response Vehicle) - Response car, usually a mid-powered car, in many forces, Ford Focus estate or Vauxhall Astra estates. Panda Car - Usually a marked police car, but driven by those who are not trained to response driver level, although this varies from force to force. One I often hear a lot, usually shouted over the radio, "Suspects on"... means, "suspects on scene", usually you hear this when an officer is responding to a call, arrives, and finds suspects on scene who are about to make a run for it. CARRIER - Usually the long wheelbase vans, tend to be Mercedes Sprinter vans or similar, they are called carriers, because, as you may have guessed, they can carry usually up to about 16 officers. MISPER - Short for Missing, and Person, hence MISPER, these are normally always on an S Grade, usually you'll be called to attend the address of a relative, who has noticed their husband/partner/son/daughter etc missing, you or your colleague will take down the common details, description, any places they may go, anyone they know they may have gone to, have they done this before, can we check their room, etc, been to plenty of these myself, usually you'll end up taking the report and don't hear any more of it, they almost never turn up overnight in my experience. OSCAR/HOTEL/INDIA99 (varies by force) - Callsign for an NPAS helicopter, had one of these scrambled once to assist us during that FTS pursuit I mentioned earlier. TROJAN (ARV/ARU)- Callsign for a firearms vehicle with firearms officers, the guys with the guns, self explanatory, if you're calling for one of these the call is fairly serious in nature, trojan units are often called when a police vehicle carrying standard (unarmed) officers wants to stop a vehicle, runs it through the PNC on the MDT and sees it has a flag for "Firearms", rather than risking stopping it themselves they'll usually see if there's a Trojan unit in the area that can stop the vehicle. If you're in a vehicle, on patrol, these are the grades: I Grade - Immediate, usually warrants Blue lights and sirens, although I have been to I Grades before where the blue lights nor sirens have been used, the use of emergency equipment is really only to be used to aid getting to an incident quickly, in this particular instance traffic was very light, and we were 30 seconds away, no need for the lights or sirens, 15 minute response time. S Grade - Standard response time - up to an hour to attend - normal driving, no exceptions, per se, i've been a passenger in a response car where the driver responded to an S Grade with lights and sirens, although that is up to them to justify, but that rarely ever happens. There's others such as E grade and R? Grade... but those are very rare, i've been a special for 8 months and only heard a single E grade call over the radio. Sorry for the essay! Best of luck with it.
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    First shift tomorrow! Friday night baptism of fire!
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    Thanks all. Mod - thanks for the warning, but the bigger crime with this pub is the landlord's poor selection of beers and terrible karaoke.
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    A national campaign, led by the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and Prince Harry, has released a film featuring celebrities talking about how they faced their own mental health problems. Rapper Professor Green, cricketer Freddie Flintoff, comedian Ruby Wax and others say admitting their problems for the first time made them realise they were not alone. But for many, asking for help can be much harder. "We didn't really know what we were being sent to," Dan Farnworth, a paramedic in the north-west, says. "The next thing I knew, a child was just placed into my arms." It was 2015, and Dan had just been sent to a 999 call that would change his life. "When we arrived we knocked on the front door, but we couldn't get in. We didn't know what had happened inside," the 31-year-old told the Victoria Derbyshire programme. It quickly became apparent the call involved the murder of a young child. "All of a sudden this little girl was just placed in my arms," Dan, a father-of-four, says. "I just remember looking at her. I remember thinking she looked like one of my own children. She had the same colour hair as one of my children. "I just felt like I froze. It was scary. It is the worst thing I have ever seen in 12 years of doing this job." Flashbacks That night, the horror of what Dan had witnessed began to dawn on him. He finished his shift early and went home, but couldn't sleep. He soon realised something more serious was wrong. "I started having nightmares and flashbacks," he says. "My mind started filling in the gaps, seeing things happen that I hadn't actually seen. "It was awful. I had flashbacks during the day and I was becoming like a recluse and not talking to people at work." In the days and weeks that followed, Dan says he became "a different person". "I realised something was wrong but didn't know where to turn. It was like I was in a deep dark hole, I was scared and drinking and smoking more heavily." Dan says he was struggling to deal with his mental health problems, but feared being honest with his employers might have seen him lose his job. He had always wanted to work in the emergency services. Starting in the ambulance control room answering 999 calls, he then spent time dispatching the air ambulance, before finally applying for a job as an emergency medical technician. He had been on the road since 2010. "I was actually scared that by opening up and talking about what was going on, someone would turn round and say 'this job isn't for you'." 'Put the kettle on' Eventually Dan reached out to his friend and fellow paramedic Rich Morton. Dan says he typed out a text message, telling Rich what had been going on. However, he deleted it before he could send it. He re-wrote the message, but again deleted it. He wrote the message for a third time, and this time pressed send. Dan was so scared of what his friend would say that he hid his mobile phone under a pillow. "He texted me straight back, saying 'put the kettle on, I'm coming over'," he says now. "That text message was the first day of the rest of my life." Dan was later diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). He was signed off work for five months. He says he was offered "unbelievable" support from his GP and received counselling. According to the charity Mind, he is not alone in working in the emergency services and suffering mental health problems. The charity says nearly 90% of blue light staff have reported stress and poor mental health at work. Emergency workers are twice as likely to identify problems at work as the main cause of those mental health problems as the general workforce, Mind says. Dan and Rich have since started their own charity, called Our Blue Light, aimed at improving the mental health of blue light services workers. And through their involvement with Mind, Dan and Rich have also rubbed shoulders with the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and Prince Harry. Marathon challenge Last year, the three royals launched a new campaign called Heads Together, aimed at ending the stigma surrounding mental health. On Wednesday, Heads Together released a series of films to encourage "a national conversation" about mental health. Celebrities including cricketer Freddie Flintoff, comedian Ruby Wax and ex-Downing Street communications director Alastair Campbell have released films about their mental health struggles. In a statement, the royals said: "We have seen time and time again that shattering stigma on mental health starts with simple conversations. "When you realise that mental health problems affect your friends, neighbours, children and spouses, the walls of judgement and prejudice around these issues begin to fall." The royals say attitudes towards mental health are now "at tipping point." As for Dan, Prince Harry had a more specific challenge. "He told me we should run the London Marathon," Dan says, "so we started running the very next day." "Stigmas still exist and [mental health] is a taboo subject," Dan says. "People think mental health is a big issue, but I'm Dan, I'm 31 years old with a job and a family and my life is normal. But I have a mental health problem." Watch the Victoria Derbyshire programme on weekdays between 09:00 and 11:00 on BBC Two and the BBC News Channel. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39432297
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    A burglar had ten months added to his prison sentence after he was caught smuggling a phone into jail. Aaron Hood, 23, from Rochdale, hid the device up his backside before he appeared in court, realising he would be sent to prison. http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/burglar-who-tried-to-smuggle-phone-into-prison-up-his-bum-gets-10-months-added-to-sentence/ar-BByZBHD
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    I'd rather not - I'd prefer to get the right answer than a guess, educated or otherwise. I've never dealt with this and don't know what the correct answer is without going away and researching it, which is why I was asking if anyone else did know for sure.