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#1 TangoBravoVimto

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Posted 24 March 2004 - 10:18 PM

Interesting to know that Joe Public was able to use them there. Would that mean that, say, a private security guard could legally carry and use cuffs for the purpose of detaining until police arrived?

Yes the security guards at Blackpool Pleasure Beach carry quik-cuffs routinely.

#2 Sidious

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Posted 25 March 2004 - 10:58 AM

The security guards at Blackpool Pleasure Beach carry quik-cuffs routinely.

This would have been off topic in the previous thread...so I have split it into a new thread...

When I went to Blackpool Pleasure Beach last year, the security there were looking the most like police officers I had ever seen anywhere, they wore flat hats with a maroon chequred band around, wore nato style jumpers with the maroon chequred band under the shoulder patches (like BTP), Body Armour, and had a utility belt with speed cuffs, and large maglite torch (even though it was a sunny day), and various pouches...

I even saw a caged van with a different colour battenburg livery on the side, and yellow not blue lamps.

Can any officers who work in Blackpool explain what is going on here? Do they transport their own offenders the local custody suite/nick. Are they well trained, or are there any problems with what is effectively a private police style force operating on the park?

I was intrigued at what I saw...

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Posted 25 March 2004 - 11:03 AM

On a documentary that I saw a couple of years ago, I think they may have their own detention unit to hold people awaiting police arrival, on the documentary they looked more like police officers than some of my colleagues. Frightening.

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Posted 25 March 2004 - 11:30 AM

I agree they looked extremely like police officers when i went last year i was quite suprised. I assume they probably dont transport to the station but instead use the vans as maybe a holding area??

Alton Towers has something similar IIRC, the last time i went they had 2 types of security guards a more smartly unifomed type ie for more showy areas and ones dressed more as paramedics/police officers. The second drove marked cars with Blue lights (on the private property obviously) marked as "Responders" and wore exactly the same as a police officer including speed cuffs but the hi-viz jackets said "Paramedic" :whistle:

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Posted 25 March 2004 - 12:22 PM

I saw them on tv and I cant believe it.......

Why are they allowed to do it and although it is not an offensive weapon thy shouldnt be allowed to carry cuffs, thats ridiculous, especially at a theme park!, if they was workin on the Gaza strip fair enough!!

As far as detaining goes they couldnt take them to a station in a van could they as I thought PACE stated they have to be in the presence of a police officer? :whistle:

Whats the world coming to :sad:

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Posted 25 March 2004 - 01:03 PM

I thought the citizens power of arrest gives guidelines that after a citizen has made arrest he should present them to a police officer without undue delay, so I suppose transportation is not out of the question.

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Posted 25 March 2004 - 01:23 PM

...and large maglite torch (even though it was a sunny day)...

It's been a while since I last went to the place, but I recall they have some dark places where it would be necessary for a security guard to regularly go to, or enter for the purposes of assisting people after a breakdown/power cut/fire.

I also imagine they have a problem with rowdy patrons so cuffs (if they are trained) aren't exactly inappropriate for the safety of themselves and other customers.

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Posted 25 March 2004 - 01:45 PM

I have no problem in principle with them carrying cuffs and maglites (I take the point that they could be called to dark areas).

I was just wondering if we had someone who works in Blackpool on here who can say what their experience of dealing with BPB security is - because they look like a private police force.

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Posted 25 March 2004 - 02:17 PM

perhaps your right plodbod.

They only thing i would take any real issue with is that the guards i saw at BPB looked identical to officers, at first i thought he was a police officer and that the local force must simply have a Red chequered (sp) hatband. It was only when i saw 2 uniformed officers on foot patrol later in the evening that i realised different.

Im never happy at security who have uniforms identical or very similar to ours as i dont see the need for it. The security at one local shop (i forget who but its a large chain type place) whos uniform is black trousers , white shirt and black tie with black epps that have Sgts metal chevrons on. When they have a radio and pouches (who knows what for) on their belt i think it would be impossible for MOP`s to tell the difference between one of our sgts and their security.

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Posted 25 March 2004 - 03:55 PM

Perhpas a good reason for police branding on our shirts then?

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Posted 25 March 2004 - 04:05 PM

Perhpas a good reason for police branding on our shirts then?

Assuming the shirts have them. Ours in West Mids are plain. Although our stab vests have branding. Before the introduction of those, on a hot day if you took your hat off you were simply a person wearing black trousers, a white shirt with eppaulettes with numbers on.

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Posted 25 March 2004 - 04:13 PM

Our shirts don't have them either, but again our body armour does that is always worn.

But perhaps a good business case since so many people are starting to look like us. Having said this, since we never take our armour off in public places then it's pretty hard to mistake us as we have police branding on the front and rear of the vest.

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Posted 26 March 2004 - 12:28 AM

I was just wondering if we had someone who works in Blackpool on here who can say what their experience of dealing with BPB security is - because they look like a private police force.

Hello everyone.

As someone who used to work in said place for a long time, I thought I would shed some light on the subject for everyone who has seen the BPB security whilst on holiday here in the paradise that is Blackpool.

The security team at BPB are issued with quick-cuffs and these are on display on a bulky utility belt which also carries their radio, small medi-kit, pens, papers etc etc.

They wear flat caps, which are red and white chequered rather than black and white. From a distance they look like real police officers. They also all have a 2-digit number on their shoulders, displayed identically to that of the police. The rest of their attire is pretty much the same as police - white shirt, black trousers, and so on.

Recently some have been wearing overt black stab vests.

With regards to the quick cuffs.... if you worked at The Pleasure Beach you would appreciate them being available. The security team do a brilliant job of keeping the park safe and it is indeed, however as it is a free and "open" park (i.e. you don't pay to get into the grounds unlike other parks), anyone can wonder in, and its a breeding ground for teens hell bent on being a pain (and its mostly locals).

The park is also full of vulnerable children...

As it has been asked here, the security team do NOT transfer detainees to the police station from the park. What I know is that there is a detention room of some kind, somewhere on the park. As for the BPB "police van" that someone saw... I have never seen it!

With regards to the large torches they carry "on sunny days", if you think about it, Blackpool Pleasure Beach has miles of indoor rides, underground and underwater features. If you go behind the scenes too, there are also lots of underground mechanical works and escape routes from the indoor rides. If there were an accident, or if security personell needed to go into any of these places (as security are always present during a ride evacuation due to a break down), then I'm sure a torch would be useful :wink:

I hope that helps. Just to point out, I am no longer an employee of BPB and so anything written here is not an opinion/fact from the company. :whistle:

Edited by jonw, 26 March 2004 - 12:39 AM.


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Posted 26 March 2004 - 12:31 PM

Thanks for that Jon.

I take the point re torches...

The van was a Ford Transit, and had red and blue battenburg livery, with yellow lamps on top.

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Posted 26 March 2004 - 02:45 PM

The van was a Ford Transit, and had red and blue battenburg livery, with yellow lamps on top.

That must have been a new addition since I left last year, although I'm not too sure what it would be used for. It might be used for transporting the security team from A to B around the perimeter of the park, or on the grounds when the park is closed? Most other departments have a vehicle of some kind to move their staff around (as the park is quite big).

I'll keep an eye out for it next time I am on the park.

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Posted 26 March 2004 - 08:03 PM

Found time to dig out a list of vehicle allowed to display amber lights:

http://www.hmso.gov....891796_en_3.htm

(2)  No vehicle shall be fitted with a lamp which is capable of showing any light to the rear, other than a red light, except-

(l)  amber light from a warning beacon fitted to-

      (i)  a road clearance vehicle;

      (ii)  a vehicle constructed or adapted for the purpose of collecting refuse;

      (iii)  a breakdown vehicle;

      (iv)  a vehicle having a maximum speed not exceeding 25 mph or any trailer drawn by such a vehicle;

      (v)  a vehicle having an overall width (including any load) exceeding 2.9 m;

      (vi)  a vehicle used for the purposes of testing, maintaining, improving, cleansing or watering roads or for any purpose incidental to any such use;

      (vii)  a vehicle used for the purpose of inspecting, cleansing, maintaining, adjusting, renewing or installing any apparatus which is in, on, under or over a road, or for any purpose incidental to any such use;

      (viii)  a vehicle used for or in connection with any purpose for which it is authorised to be used on roads by an order under section 44 of the Act;

      (ix)  a vehicle used for escort purposes when travelling at a speed not exceeding 25 mph;

      (x)  a vehicle used by the Commissioners of Customs and Excise for the purpose of testing fuels;

      (xi)  a vehicle used for the purpose of surveying;

      (xii)  a vehicle used for the removal or immobilisation of vehicles in exercise of a statutory power or duty;



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Posted 26 March 2004 - 08:20 PM

Found time to dig out a list of vehicle allowed to display amber lights:

Nice one g_attrill - I couldn't find that. So, in summary, not security vehicles then?

Edited by JG2, 26 March 2004 - 08:21 PM.


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Posted 26 March 2004 - 09:20 PM

Its easy to have a sly pop at private security like BPB especially the series narrated by comedian Nick Handcock was very tongue in cheek.
It did feature a detention room and the attending police officers could barely mask their annoyance of having yet again being called to an " emergency, offender detained".The prosepect of the next six hours dealing with said "emergency" as a constable whilst BPB " officers" are back on patrol forthwith.
Who would the public rather have tied up BPB security ot the very very thin blue line for the area.
Last week I went on a course as in part as an instructor where over 2 days we told security where I work, giving examples of what to do and deal with situations themselves and not involve me at the drop of a hat.
All well and good the next day I am on duty after said course I am called to a "situation" of suspicious males being sarcastic to security officers, by way of 4 radio messages and 3 mobile fone calls I kid you not,
The lads involved were special needs and needed telling this is this and thats that please leave, they needed a quiet word for being giddy.

Point being if security personel have an easy option to involve the police they will take it, but they have no idea of whats involved once a police officer takes charge, its way above even parental responsibility. but the bottom line is there is no officer to replace the one that inexperienced buck passing ties up with things they could easily deal with themselves.
we are too thin on the ground automatically dialling 999 is a disaster but will never stop, until the "trench dodgers" are put on the streets again we wil remain in meltdown.

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Posted 27 March 2004 - 02:16 PM

I wasn't aware of the documentary which is being refered to in this thread. What was it called? I have no doubt it will be on UK Horizons (or whatever) soon...

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Posted 27 March 2004 - 02:37 PM

I wasn't aware of the documentary which is being refered to in this thread. What was it called? I have no doubt it will be on UK Horizons (or whatever) soon...

I think everyone is referring to the Blackpool Pleasure beach fly-on-the-wall documentary which was aired on BBC1 around 1996 ?? time.

It featured everything from park security to the park's inhouse radio station.

Edited by jonw, 27 March 2004 - 02:38 PM.


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Posted 06 August 2011 - 08:59 PM

Hi lads,
Found this on youtube...



shows the park security wearing the park police uniform... bear in mind this was 1980's so most forces had blue shirts

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#23 Radman

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Posted 06 August 2011 - 09:08 PM

Wow was this a joke post... 2004?

A six year old thread brought back from the dead and for what? :rolleyes:

#24 CSC1

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Posted 06 August 2011 - 09:14 PM

A six year old thread brought back from the dead and for what? :rolleyes:


Check your maths, its 7 years :p

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Posted 06 August 2011 - 09:15 PM

sorry, was watching a tv program today and it mentioned blackpool pleasure beach police... so I had a look here as its always a good place to find info.. noticed the thread and made a reply... sorry if this upset you.




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